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Posted 12/13/16
All I can say is that Trump is doing exactly the opposite of what he said he was going to do during his campaigns and debates. One of his big talking points was to get the big money people out of high government and now he's putting big money people in positions of big government. This is exactly why I didn't vote in this election. Hillary may be a hypocrite with some things, but Trump's an even bigger hypocrite and so far has gone against almost everything he said he would do during his campaign. I shudder to think what the next four years will be like.
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WSJ? wallstreet journal?

honestly I'm a little skeptical with a lot of greedy businessmen gathering in one place...


The article linked may be from the Wall Street Journal, but I'm pretty sure that the information is accurate. When my Mom came home from work today she said that they were talking about this on the radio on National Public Radio, which is a station that doesn't usually report on things unless they fact check it.
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Posted 12/13/16
Wealthy businessmen and high ranking military officials receiving numerous powerful governmental positions...

This isn't going to end well, is it?
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mxdan wrote:

So if you guys haven't heard Trump just appointed the Exxon CEO as Secretary of State. Amid this revelation and the one that came out recently that he is putting the Goldman Sachs President in charge of the National Economic Council we have truly perplexing situation on our hands. About the only thing that Democracts and Republicans could agree on in the last 10 years is that money in politics is a real issue in our country at the moment. It causes legislation that benefits a few majority of people. So what do we do? Elect someone who is systematically giving them more power. Amazing how many have been spouting for years that CEO's needed to answer for the crimes they committed during our recession. Now it would seem republicans are perfectly fine with us doing the complete opposite.


Well, that's what you all signed on for:
"He's a political OUTSIDER! He's not going to hire those corrupt Washington INSIDERS for his cabinet!"

Okay, so since he doesn't know any political people, he'll hire people he does know professionally: Other business CEO's...Happy now? Well, that should improve the country for the common man.
Of course, if the right CEO doesn't happen to be available, he'll hire a few political people he doesn't know, but were told were good by reputation. He does rather believe the advice he gets from his staff and from the Internet, with the faith of a child.
Posted 12/15/16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVQu18OWko

funny how obama and hillary and the media mocked romney about russia, but now that its politically necessary, they're now doing the exact thing they MF'd back then...

but romney was wrong, at any rate, russia=enemy=propaganda

russia is the enemy of banksters, not US citizens or citizens of other countries in the world.
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but romney was wrong, at any rate, russia=enemy=propaganda

russia is the enemy of banksters, not US citizens or citizens of other countries in the world.


Except, you know, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Germany, etc. Oh, and friends totally hack into your government and actively trying to destabilize your political system while trying to influence your elections. Yeah, its totally just bankers Russia is after. Ignore Putin's massive, corrupt network of financial dealings and territorial aspirations he needs NATO out of the way for.

How's the weather over there by the way? Do they at least keep the Kremlin troll factories well insulated in the winter?
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choppin_broccoli wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVQu18OWko

funny how obama and hillary and the media mocked romney about russia, but now that its politically necessary, they're now doing the exact thing they MF'd back then...

but romney was wrong, at any rate, russia=enemy=propaganda

russia is the enemy of banksters, not US citizens or citizens of other countries in the world.


Ok, first of all, this was before Russia made some some of the political moves they did in the last 8 years. Generally, putin has worked against the Obama administration for term. This is because the Democratic party has made it clear that they don't have a lot of the same interests Putin has. Building up Oil Refineries in key places for instance that would build up certain middle eastern enemies. Dig into the arctic and harm enviromental agreements built over the years between big nations.

Let me hear the basis for Russia being the enemy of Bankers. I'd like the hear this. Explain in detail.
Posted 12/15/16

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choppin_broccoli wrote:
but romney was wrong, at any rate, russia=enemy=propaganda

russia is the enemy of banksters, not US citizens or citizens of other countries in the world.


Except, you know, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Germany, etc. Oh, and friends totally hack into your government and actively trying to destabilize your political system while trying to influence your elections.

Well, here I can agree with you if I take you out of context, because that's pretty much cia & like minded entities that are responsible for those things mentioned.




Yeah, its totally just bankers Russia is after. Ignore Putin's massive, corrupt network of financial dealings and territorial aspirations he needs NATO out of the way for.

How's the weather over there by the way? Do they at least keep the Kremlin troll factories well insulated in the winter?


And the second part, mostly unqualified bluster. Let's let the pendulum swing both ways here - tell me again what you can prove of Putin's "corrupt network of financial dealings" (funny how that's precisely what the clinton foundation is) and territorial "aspirations" (Crimea has been Russian since the end of the Ottoman Empire,) and here you can remind yourself that NATO was an anti Soviet alliance - a Republic that no longer exists...now then, if you studied the collapse of ussr at all, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, were puppets (not complete puppets, but when you're in someone's back pocket...) and it was Putin who was the more nationalist russian, that took steps against the russian oligarchs.....so are you getting a picture of why the other global oligarchs have a problem with Putin?

The consortium of global oligarchs dont want to have countries that eliminate the oligarchs that reside in those countries.

Is this starting to make sense to you yet?

Another irony, Hillary & the DNC were the ones that got nabbed with the bots. Fake facebook, twitter accounts, etc. *shrug*

Callin 'em as I see 'em, I'm a moderate nationalist and vehement anti federalist - so I can accept when other nations take steps to protect their nation against jacked up things my nation does, that I very much do not approve of. Illegal war crime level things from quasi federal quasi private entities of little to no constitutional legitimacy.
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You are right, but a large portion of people that supported the orange menace are not all that informed on the issues. Most were looking for a change from the norm and thee was no candidate that represented the Washington status quo than Hillary Clinton. Now that the election is over attention is focused else-ware, but the problem is this in when more attention is needed. Trump has a well documented at enriching himself at the expense of others. In the past this was investors but now it will be the tax payers. A strong light needs to be kept on his actions but the problem is the corporate media (both liberal and conservative) has no interest in this because they benefit from this system.
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well of course that was gonna happen, he's only using your support to fuel his plutocracy ideals and governing. Enjoy yourself merica, home of the... rich and massively indebted.
Posted 12/15/16 , edited 12/15/16

jtjr26 wrote:

You are right, but a large portion of people that supported the orange menace are not all that informed on the issues. Most were looking for a change from the norm and thee was no candidate that represented the Washington status quo than Hillary Clinton. Now that the election is over attention is focused else-ware, but the problem is this in when more attention is needed. Trump has a well documented at enriching himself at the expense of others. In the past this was investors but now it will be the tax payers. A strong light needs to be kept on his actions but the problem is the corporate media (both liberal and conservative) has no interest in this because they benefit from this system.


Its a chess game even trying to figure out where DT is on a lot of these issues. Some of the things that have come out of his mouth have been absolutely facepalm-worthy, but I'm sure I would put that label in different places than other people, e.g. his aipac speech. And his appointments, some have been barely distinguishable between "is just going to drain certain portions of the swamp" and "is assembling a team of people that have intimate know how of the system works and can really wage some effective Executive and overall government level war on the status quo." e.g. his guy on his team that has the hedge fund experience - hedge funds are bullcrap casino plays, so maybe he knows this and wants to correct it, and perhaps also do things like outlaw high frequency trading algorithms.

We simply cant tell which it is, and the only way we'll get to know is by letting his policies play out.

I'm just glad its looking like the voters got out there and helped save us from WW3 with Russia, like hillary had planned.
Posted 12/15/16

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choppin_broccoli wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVQu18OWko

funny how obama and hillary and the media mocked romney about russia, but now that its politically necessary, they're now doing the exact thing they MF'd back then...

but romney was wrong, at any rate, russia=enemy=propaganda

russia is the enemy of banksters, not US citizens or citizens of other countries in the world.


Ok, first of all, this was before Russia made some some of the political moves they did in the last 8 years. Generally, putin has worked against the Obama administration for term. This is because the Democratic party has made it clear that they don't have a lot of the same interests Putin has. Building up Oil Refineries in key places for instance that would build up certain middle eastern enemies. Dig into the arctic and harm enviromental agreements built over the years between big nations.

Let me hear the basis for Russia being the enemy of Bankers. I'd like the hear this. Explain in detail.


Never came across information such as...

http://nationalvanguard.org/2012/05/the-silent-coup-putin-vs-the-oligarchs/

?


So in a nutshell, Putin was Oligarch busting, and it happens to have cost a lot of rich somebodies a lot of money (ill gotten or otherwise) and now we have their international friends waging economic wars against Russia, and populating the media with stories about how bad russia is and how Putin stole 85 bazillion dollars.

International friends that can wag entire countries.

Sorta like the USA, Australia, Canada, What's left of Briton, France, Germany, etc....all get wagged by the media, owned by and large by those "international friends" there again.

The oligarchs of the world are trying to pour cement into the forms they've constructed, to solidify their position of authority and legalized counterfeiting, that is the basis of what the peoples of the world will need to eventually fight against and overcome.
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choppin_broccoli wrote:

Never came across information such as...

http://nationalvanguard.org/2012/05/the-silent-coup-putin-vs-the-oligarchs/

?


So in a nutshell, Putin was Oligarch busting, and it happens to have cost a lot of rich somebodies a lot of money (ill gotten or otherwise) and now we have their international friends waging economic wars against Russia, and populating the media with stories about how bad russia is and how Putin stole 85 bazillion dollars.

International friends that can wag entire countries.

Sorta like the USA, Australia, Canada, What's left of Briton, France, Germany, etc....all get wagged by the media, owned by and large by those "international friends" there again.

The oligarchs of the world are trying to pour cement into the forms they've constructed, to solidify their position of authority and legalized counterfeiting, that is the basis of what the peoples of the world will need to eventually fight against and overcome.


I'll have to read that link later (I'm currently studying for finals) but I just need to point out that at the bottom it says that the article was originally published in 2004. From where I'm not sure but you need to understand that politics from 12 years ago can be entirely non-relevant by current metrics.

Also I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/04/05/putin-caught-in-huge-panama-papers-scandal/#211dccb64eb2
Posted 12/15/16

mxdan wrote:


choppin_broccoli wrote:

Never came across information such as...

http://nationalvanguard.org/2012/05/the-silent-coup-putin-vs-the-oligarchs/

?


So in a nutshell, Putin was Oligarch busting, and it happens to have cost a lot of rich somebodies a lot of money (ill gotten or otherwise) and now we have their international friends waging economic wars against Russia, and populating the media with stories about how bad russia is and how Putin stole 85 bazillion dollars.

International friends that can wag entire countries.

Sorta like the USA, Australia, Canada, What's left of Briton, France, Germany, etc....all get wagged by the media, owned by and large by those "international friends" there again.

The oligarchs of the world are trying to pour cement into the forms they've constructed, to solidify their position of authority and legalized counterfeiting, that is the basis of what the peoples of the world will need to eventually fight against and overcome.


I'll have to read that link later (I'm currently studying for finals) but I just need to point out that at the bottom it says that the article was originally published in 2004. From where I'm not sure but you need to understand that politics from 12 years ago can be entirely non-relevant by current metrics.

Also I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/04/05/putin-caught-in-huge-panama-papers-scandal/#211dccb64eb2


Do you think geopolitics has changed substantially in 12 years? You asked me to point to reasons why things are as I say they are. These things didnt get into motion overnight, or in the last 4 years, in the last 8 years. Of course I'm not saying things dont evolve, i.e. I'm sure they thought russia would have been hurt more, they thought Assad would be long gone, remember Wesley Clark's 7 countries in 8 years he was told about. Well, Syria didnt go to their liking, they failed to budge iran really. The oligarchs have been pummeling russia forever, the bolsheviks were pretty much worse on the populace than the czars. Putin did more than what the czars were able to do in that arena.

Yeah the Panama stuff, what a slice of the picture, right? I never said Putin was a saint, but all the same there is plenty attributed to Putin that isnt necessarily Putin himself. Would I be surprised if Putin had money stuffed in a tax haven along with tens of thousands of other remotely rich people? Not really, but tens of billions as is alleged? Havent quite seen that. The Panama papers were "filtered for content on friends" before the leak, was one thing I and quite a few others noticed, given the profiles of who was included.
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Well, here I can agree with you if I take you out of context, because that's pretty much cia & like minded entities that are responsible for those things mentioned.


The CIA is responsible for the invasion of Crimea? -.-




choppin_broccoli wrote:And the second part, mostly unqualified bluster. Let's let the pendulum swing both ways here - tell me again what you can prove of Putin's "corrupt network of financial dealings" (funny how that's precisely what the clinton foundation is) and territorial "aspirations" (Crimea has been Russian since the end of the Ottoman Empire,)


Oh oh, Clinton Foundation. Let me mark my Bingo card.

Putin's financial dealings aren't exactly a secret even in Russia itself nor is the web of oligarchs tied into Putin and the Russia government. He is rather similar to Trump in a lot of ways in that he pushes himself as a brandname and keeps up a veneer of wealth and power.

As for Crimea; That's the argument you're going for? Its okay to invade Crimnea because it was part of Russia in 1922? If you want to start looking back like that Crimea was originally annexed by Russia in the first place prior to that. None of that changes the fact that modern Crimea was independent and Russia invaded though. Or that Putin likewise invaded Georgia under similar bullshit pretenses.



choppin_broccoli wrote:
Callin 'em as I see 'em, I'm a moderate nationalist and vehement anti federalist - so I can accept when other nations take steps to protect their nation against jacked up things my nation does, that I very much do not approve of. Illegal war crime level things from quasi federal quasi private entities of little to no constitutional legitimacy.


You must be dizzy from all that spin. You should probably sit down. Do you need some water?

On the upside you must be nearing your quota at the troll factory by now. Almost quitting time!


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