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Posted 12/13/16 , edited 12/13/16
I saw this article a few days..

articles like this will always triggered the fanboys from both sides (you can see it in the comments)

http://wccftech.com/ps4-pro-performance-equivalent-900pc/

of course.. you will have those who will start to list parts.. to prove that PC gaming is just as cheap of sort..

like this user's comment--

the parts list he listed is here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rQCBGf



120GB SSD?

when you are buying a console it comes with a controller + hdmi cable... you don't need at least a mouse, keyboard and cable for a pc?
also where's the OS ? no case either ?


anyway when i looked it up.. i found this video --i think this is more useful but if would be nice if the guy also listed in details where he got the parts + price after tax and everything

4K for under $500 - Introducing the Potato Masher Pro PC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcrotHUVFN0

if i'm thinking about converting into a PC gamer.. what's the total upfront cost i'm looking at? instead of the usual fanboy ranting on and on about how cheap PC gaming can get (by listing used parts from ebay) --so warranty is not important when the parts failed?

i'm a gamer on a budget

i got a PS4 slim uncharted 4 bundle for $212 (no tax-free shipping-- bought from newegg) + Deus Ex Mankind divided + Plantonics P80 headset for free --- so a 500GB console + 2 recent games + headset for $212

while I saw a PS4 Pro for $340 on cyber Monday on Amazon and Target + tax = $367

so if i'm looking to put together a similar PC that can play games at the same level of graphic like the PS4 Pro with similar features.. how much i'm looking at? let say my budget is $432 (tax already included)

i also want to use share play* + being able to record the gameplay videos at 1080p resolution (gameplay video with commentary)

so with the budget i have and features i wante.. how much i'm looking at if for a PC ?


*share play https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/explore/ps4/features/share-play/
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The components in the link to PCPartPicker are pretty solid.
As you mentioned, though, it's missing the chassis, the OS, a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
We were just recently helping someone in the Crunchyroll Discord server how to build a cheap computer under $500 that can handle "basic" games (as in, not even remotely close to that of a PS4 Pro) and came up to about $800 or so with all of the additional components (monitor, keyboard, mouse, chassis, and the rest). If you already have some of these components, the entry point isn't that bad.

Personally, I think the idea that the PS4 Pro performs similarly to a $900~ computer is correct in a manner of speaking. Keep in mind that, as you know, the PS4 Pro does not have "genuine" 4K playback. To put it in perspective, my desktop outperforms my PS4 Pro by a landslide - but, the price was astronomical and I had my monitors/keyboard/mouse already.

The cheapest will probably be the one you've posted, but you'll also have to find a chassis (about $50-$150), a keyboard ($40-$200), a mouse ($20-$80). That's if you're trying to get into the entry point for 4K-like graphics. If you just want to play better than the base PS4 and to hell with the 4K - I'm sure there's plenty of ways you can go about doing that. You don't need the latest and greatest to outperform a standard PS4 in graphical capacity by any definition of the word.
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these are actually a lot cheaper than the laptop i'm using..

so i guess i already have a gaming pc/laptop without realizing it ?

it's a laptop from 2012?

2nd i7 2.0Ghz
8GB DDR3 ram
750GB HDD

i need to replace the HDD though-- it will take 15-20 second to open a folder with 5 pictures inside..
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these are actually a lot cheaper than the laptop i'm using..

so i guess i already have a gaming pc/laptop without realizing it ?

it's a laptop from 2012?

2nd i7 2.0Ghz
8GB DDR3 ram
750GB HDD

i need to replace the HDD though-- it will take 15-20 second to open a folder with 5 pictures inside..


You may be better off just replacing your laptop, then. Better CPU, GPU, and quite possibly double the hard drive space. I think they're SSDs in laptops lately.
Your laptop's battery may be almost expired too.
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You may be better off just replacing your laptop, then. Better CPU, GPU, and quite possibly double the hard drive space. I think they're SSDs in laptops lately.
Your laptop's battery may be almost expired too.


it's cheaper to just use the PS4 HDD that I will be swapping out instead.. i use it for web browsing and work mostly so no need to have the best specs

laptops with SSDs are still pricey.. but at least they started to put 7200rpm HDD in laptops now.. some still use DDR3 ram though

my laptop battery was bricked after 2 1/2 year..

I think i can get another 5 years out of this laptop

*i checked.. i don't see GPU spec.. probably integrated graphics.. so probably no pc gaming on this laptop.

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even after 3 years. there are still PS4 games under 720p...

Ark Survival Evolved: PS4 Pro vs PS4 Analysis + Frame-Rate Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIP4KrnJPCE

speaking about Ark Developer--

this is hilarious especially after reading their comment about the PS4 pro being a $900 pc..

their game is running at 20fps with glitches all over.. looks like the beta version
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Just wondering, for PC games, are you looking to run in 4K? Are you trying to run VR stuffs? You can probably go down a bit on the GPU if you're not trying to 4K or VR.

Edit: If you ARE trying to VR it's probably going to cost more because you need VR equips, not that you don't need it for a PS4 too.
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Just wondering, for PC games, are you looking to run in 4K? Are you trying to run VR stuffs? You can probably go down a bit on the GPU if you're not trying to 4K or VR.

Edit: If you ARE trying to VR it's probably going to cost more because you need VR equips, not that you don't need it for a PS4 too.


No VR.. i don't care much for VR.

just a PC with similar graphic to the PS4 pro or better for $432 ? $450 ?

with share play and record gameplay features

i like share play since it's a cheaper way for me and friends to try out the games without having to pay gamefly.. and being able to record gameplay videos to upload on youtube is also a nice feature that i also want to use.

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Share play: Remote control...?

Gameplay recording is a norm in most modern rigs. Nvidia Experience comes with that option. Used to be called Shadow Play, kinda just become part of the package now. Dunno about AMD cards.

Do you have like, any of the outer things from a PC you can reuse, like some kind of case and stuff? The stuffs inside that case really isn't that much more expensive than just buying a PS4 unless you're going in completely blind, and you probably don't need a 1070 if you're not going to VR. If not, you're gonna need a case on top of all the things inside, then pick between learning how to KB/M or get/reuse a controller from a console. Still gonna need that keyboard and mouse, but you don't need expensive gaming keyboard/mouse if you're going to controller.

You are going to suffer from this thing called Steam backlog, though, so think twice before diving into PC gaming.

Edit: Going with PC Part Picker, the stuffs in my rig right now is currently about ~$850, PSU/OS included. It can probably go a bit lower on the OS, because I'm using Win10 Pro.

Oh and yeah the parts list you originally listed is pretty solid.
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Share play: Remote control...?




Share Play Walkthrough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJeVjGIFfY

Share Play is a good way from me and friends playing co-op or trying out the game without having to have more than 1 copy of the game..


i think it's been 6-7 years-- i think i still have some old PC with Pentium 4 in storage in the garage.. with keyboard, mouse and the old lcd monitor .




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You pretty much get what you pay for with PCs. You can build pretty decent PCs for about the cost of a console, but you are only getting about the performance of a console (a game console will edge out a PC in this range anyways; they break even or sell at a loss a lot of the time for the deals you see, not to mention devs are able to optimize for the specific hardware). There really isn't a noticeable difference between consoles and PCs until you get up to somewhere around the $1k range (so, probably somewhere around $800-1200 you'll be able to get noticeably better performance in general if you do a bit of research on your parts first).

All in you should be looking at about $1k for standard 1080p at about 60fps+ setup (this includes a keyboard and mouse; unless of course you opt to pay for a fancy mouse and mechanical keyboard : ) Buying more expensive peripherals or a fancy monitor can easily skyrocket the price, so be careful about that... these aren't really needed and are always something you can upgrade to later if you really feel like you need them.

As far as recording and streaming goes; it's been pretty standard on PC for longer than on console, so it shouldn't be an issue to setup lol.

If you watch carefully, there have been some pretty decent deals on bundles with VR headsets this holiday; there have been deals for a PC and Rift for about $999 recently (and they were pretty decent PCs too; normally would have cost about $900 just for the PC parts, so it's definitely worth it, even if you aren't really into VR at the moment). They pretty much end up getting you a free or nearly free VR headset for buying a PC lol.

BTW... I definitely recommend looking at getting into VR if you are getting into PC gaming. Both the Vive and Rift + Touch are amazing and the experiences can just blow normal gaming out of the water. Best thing to do is get a demo if you available in your area, because the videos don't really do VR justice (some of the mixed reality vids start to get close, as they overlay the player inside the game, but still nothing like getting a good demo experience). You can play all Steam VR games with both the Rift and Vive and Vive can play Oculus Home games via ReVive. A game being around you 360 and not just ending at the edge of the screen is already pretty neat, but toss in true stereoscopic 3D, and being able to duck, dodge, and move your hands around to grab stuff and aim and shoot weapons just makes it mind blowing at times.
Posted 12/14/16

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speaking about Ark Developer--

this is hilarious especially after reading their comment about the PS4 pro being a $900 pc..

their game is running at 20fps with glitches all over.. looks like the beta version


Unfortunately, with the case of all things these days (both PC and consoles) there are some developers that just aren't that great at what they do. To be fair, Ark is an early access game (technically, it is in a beta). The game isn't ready for the PC, either. It's one of those situations where the developer threw the game into the wild before it was even remotely close for public play.

Regarding "Share Play" --
It's actually pretty awesome. Keep in mind that it does require both people to have Playstation Plus (else the share play will only be for 5 minutes, not an hour). There isn't a PC equivalent to Share Play, to be perfectly honest. NVIDIA has software that allows you to stream and share to another device but not in the capacity as Share Play on the PS4. I've used this quite a bit with a friend that's closer to you when it comes to buying games (I just buy them as I please at the moment) - so if I have a game that he wants, I just turn on Share Play, give him the controller, and walk away. He gets an hour of trying out a game to decide whether or not he wants to buy it or not.


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Posted 12/14/16 , edited 12/14/16
it's cheaper here to get a ps4 pro.

ps4 pro $500

Pc equivalent : $1200+


Australia where pc gaming is horrible.....


the pc he listed costs $1002 aud and that's excluding the motherboard and power supply which are not sold in Australia so $1200 is pretty spot on.

pro to pc gaming is more games but seeing as console games cost $100 on release and pc games on release cost 80-100$ here also it's ....hard to say pc is better for money.
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you got to watch the gameplay video of Ark on Xbox One..

Ark Survival Evolved Xbox One Revisited: Frame-Rate Tests + Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdiNhqAg40Q

and i thought PS4 and PS4 pro version were bad..

how about 8-10 fps ?.. there are times when the frame dropped to 0 fps.. yes.. the game froze..

"early 2017" -- too early imo

in a way it's not the systems.. it's the game!.. these people don't know how to develop games for consoles-- it's pretty clear imo
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