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Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16

auroraloose wrote:


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auroraloose wrote:

The sentiment you're expressing is right, but it's actually the case that none of our theories are ever proven correct. So whenever someone says, "Science has proven [thing]," that's always incorrect. The best we can do is come up with explanation schemes (theories) that don't lead to contradictions with our observations, and the schemes may be wrong.


Wow someone else is talking about underdetermination


Who was the first person? I'm relatively new around here and don't know everyone.



I haven't seen anyone besides myself talking about it.

It has to do with the one long argument regarding the impossibility of artificial consciousness. All the functionalist counterarguments center on "copying" such as "if we could copy the functions of a neuron..." or "if we could copy the functions of a brain...", at which point I say there couldn't be an exhaustive model of a brain or even a neuron because their functions (whether it be holistic functions of a brain or behaviors of neurons that are invisible until they manifest in groups) are underdetermined. Of course this is followed by more "but but but COPY!" and "with FUTURE TECHNOLOGY, we can COPY!"
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It is fashionable in the current political climate to talk about the danger of distrusting scientists and their theories, but too easily trusting scientific theories can be and has been just as dangerous. I'm not sure what's actually the cornerstone of anti-intellectualism these days, but feigning intellectualism certainly doesn't help. That scientists like Bennett constantly have to remind people that science can't prove anything indicates how deeply this error has penetrated.


I was not implying the opposite extreme with my comment. Merely that "Its just a theory" has become a foremost tool of the anti-science lot. Chiefly used against evolution for example. There are a number of scientific topics that get dismissed out of hand by half of America because they don't *believe* in them regardless of evidence. Evolution and climate change being two of the biggies. To a lesser extent you have shit like anti-vaxxers.

Science doesn't give a shit what whether or not you believe in it



We don't reject evolution despite the evidence but because of it, because of science; we say it is just a theory because it is just a theory... and the theory countinues falling apart.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016/12/royal_society_m_2103361.html

Sure there is climate change - with or without people; man's impact? Probably, but still up for debate; even then it is not a crisis or excuse for oppressive bureaucratic regulation.

True, science doesn't give a *bleep* whether or not one believes it.
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here are the ones I hear the most that are wrong. People always tried to argue them, but always explained their wrong.

- What goes up must come down
- Sun is a yellow star.
- The North Star is the brightest in the sky.
- Total solar eclipses are rare
- Days get longer in the summer and shorter in the winter.
- Sun rises on the east and sets on the west.
- Moon comes out only at night.
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We don't reject evolution despite the evidence but because of it, because of science; we say it is just a theory because it is just a theory... and the theory countinues falling apart.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016/12/royal_society_m_2103361.html


Really? The Discovery Institute shit again? Haven't they had enough holes blown in their credibility yet? You may as well be getting your scientific news from the National Enquirer.



dougeprofile wrote:Sure there is climate change - with or without people; man's impact? Probably, but still up for debate; even then it is not a crisis or excuse for oppressive bureaucratic regulation.


Given the above I hesitate to give your opinion on climate change much weight. I'm sure its just a coincidence that acceptance of climate change in the US is split exactly down political lines rather than any sort of scientific debate.

Kind of like ID and Evolution. >.>




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The night is darkest just before the dawn. That's just not true...
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I just think its funny that people still believe the carbon dioxide hoax. I think environmental cleansing is great, but it should be focused on things that are actually dirty pollutants, not focus on trying to fool people with poor applications of statistics, arresting the peer review process and populating it with like minded zealots, and then talk about the taxes we're going to have to pay for our exhalations.

East Anglia showed us all too well how those fools unscrupulously and unscientifically crowded out dissenting voices, fueled by the hungry hungry hippo game of gimme grant money, with Uncle Sugar dangling that grant money out there for those who would grab their ankles in the most impressive fashion.
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I just think its funny that people still believe the carbon dioxide hoax. I think environmental cleansing is great, but it should be focused on things that are actually dirty pollutants, not focus on trying to fool people with poor applications of statistics, arresting the peer review process and populating it with like minded zealots, and then talk about the taxes we're going to have to pay for our exhalations.

East Anglia showed us all too well how those fools unscrupulously and unscientifically crowded out dissenting voices, fueled by the hungry hungry hippo game of gimme grant money, with Uncle Sugar dangling that grant money out there for those who would grab their ankles in the most impressive fashion.


What's really sad is all these worthless policies the government comes up with to make the public think they are helping the enviroment when really the vast majority of them are meaningless.


Take for example Composites. When making them the resigns emit some gasses that are considered pollutants so the government put a limit on how many gasses a specific factory could produce in a year. The problem is his effectively puts a cap on how much product that factory can produce and here is where the "green policy" falls apart. The business owners then proceed to just close shop and move production over seas where there is no cap.


So the mindless sheep all cheer at these "green Policies" but either their effect is a drop is the bucket in the long run or business owners just exploit a work around, often moving overseas and thus losing american jobs, and don't reduce their global production at all.


I'm not pretending Climate change doesn't exist at all or that we don't need to find ways to be less wasteful and polluting. But the whole debate is just FLOODED with false statistics about things that supposedly contribute to it and then give some bullshit on how to fix it at the middle classes expense. And the stupid mass media just eat it all up and don't bother to question the actual science. I almost never see a proposed solution to helping the environment that's actually helpful and not just pandering to the "green" loving public.
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1. Climate change is a hoax.
2. ADHD has no basis for diagnosis.
3. Vaccines are a significant factor in autism prevalence.
4. Evolution has little theoretical evidence.
5. Nature and nurture are separable (X is caused by genetics or X is caused by Y environmental factor).
6. Self diagnosis is "good" for disorders of psychological or neurological nature.


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I have proof that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot!
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1. Climate change is a hoax.



Look, only an idiot denies that CO2 has some warming coefficient into the inputs of the equation. Only an idiot denies that the climate changes over time.

But one has to be propagandized or otherwise monetarily reliant upon the fallacy in order to support the idea that man's co2 output is going to tip the world off into some catastrophe.

The conspiracy theory side of this one is that they expect the flippage of the earth's magnetic field to happen - very likely because of an external event, and this would slightly alter the earth's axis. And by extension - the equatorial bulge of water, and that's where half the "sea level rise" is going to come from, and why they are so secretive about Antarctica, because it would ostensibly be some prime land after an alteration of the earth's axis and its ice caps melts because of that. And of course our half baked Global Circulation Models could also be tossed out the window. And new ice caps would form. Helluva lotta death, if that happens.
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"facts" ?

more like scientific hoax that people don't believe

so how do you determine something is a scientific fact?

1 in out of 5 college women will be raped?

or the infamous 98% poll? etc??

what is it? things are a lot different now aday

hypocrites can go around and claim scientific facts for almost anything..

but when you dig deeper into some of the "false claim aka scientific fact " they released.. you will find that it's some survey on a small group of people..

kind of like how they predicted that Clinton will win by a landslide..


so now a day when someone claiming something to be "scientific fact" ask for proofs of such "fact".. and please don't be some stupid survey of some small group..

since i can throw out some random stats and call it "scientific fact" as well

4 out of 5 college men will be raped

or 5 out of 5 men will be falsely accused of rape..
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Electric cars are good for the environment.

Alright, first off, they're only as green as their power source.

In the US alone it'd require an additional 1 terrawatt, 25% of current consumption, which is, suffice to say, a lot. The best part: If we did all that, using the current mix of power sources, it'd only lower greenhouse emissions by 6.5% per year. Hardly enough to save the planet from **global warming**

More importantly, lithum mining and refining is incredibly damaging to the environment, way more than oil. Currently we only extract 40 000 tons per year, with about a third of that going to batteries. If we wanted to replace all new car sales with electric, we'd need about 800 000 tons per year, or 100 tesla gigafactories.
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Electric cars are good for the environment.

Alright, first off, they're only as green as their power source.

In the US alone it'd require an additional 1 terrawatt, 25% of current consumption, which is, suffice to say, a lot. The best part: If we did all that, using the current mix of power sources, it'd only lower greenhouse emissions by 6.5% per year. Hardly enough to save the planet from **global warming**

More importantly, lithum mining and refining is incredibly damaging to the environment, way more than oil. Currently we only extract 40 000 tons per year, with about a third of that going to batteries. If we wanted to replace all new car sales with electric, we'd need about 800 000 tons per year, or 100 tesla gigafactories.


It's hilarious how blind people are

"Oh I'm not using gas! I"m saving the enviroment!"

But they don't even put a thought into how many pollutants were produced producing all that extra juice their car is running off of.

Plus like you said lithium mining is an issue as well. Plus Lithium can be toxic if you're exposed to too much.


Reducing the damage we do to the enviroment doesn't involve one magical quick fix which is what a lot of people just don't get.
Posted 12/16/16
scientific fact: Obama's birth certificate is a forgery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhF-Ok3djI&app=desktop

9 points of forgery, pretty damning.

for everyone that was fooled before
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