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Jesus fucking christ, can you use /pol/ or thedonald or some shit? No one cares.
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electricdoomfire wrote:


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electricdoomfire wrote:

irregardless of what trump does, the political left will find some way to make it seem like it is a bad thing.


you mean when they call him out on his bullshit?



No, i mean simply being objective and practicing good journalism. This is the same group of people that openly either supported or ignored Hillary Clinton's own transgressions and gave attention to the fact that trump called a miss universe pagent contestant fat 20 years ago or said what he said on those access Hollywood tapes instead of talking about policy. Also, using words like racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, etc have never been good arguments and yet the political left consistently embrace the usage of these buzzwords.

It is fine that somebody criticizes trump. in fact, it is a good thing. However, one must use good arguments and logical reasoning to back up their statements which is something that the political left does not do. It is about objectivity first and foremost. However, the left, which makes up most of the media, isn't objective but rather extremely biased.


How else do you talk about being racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic? People didn't make Donald say that he 'grabs girls by the pussy' and then let him do it. Stop ignoring reality to denounce buzzword. Words are meant to bridge the gap of minds to understand points. If that word makes you 'buzzed' that isn't the fault of the left. CLEARLY you have issue with it if it makes you emotional. Because the things he is doing are an ISSUE.

People constantly spin the media as being entirely biased. Has it ever occurred to you that this is because the vast majority of people don't exist politically in this far right fringe that you do? That there is a market for compassion politics with the general population and far right sermons like Alex jones constitute a position that is out of touch with a general and intelligent populace?

Probably not because your sermon tells you that everybody is AGAINST you. But make no mistake, you are on the extreme. Not the general center politics.
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I don't know about this.

There are enough people upset already.

Do we want people starting a riot inside CR forums too? Even though there are no glasses to break or storefronts to loot in here...
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How else do you talk about being racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic?
Has it ever occurred to you that this is because the vast majority of people don't exist politically in this far right fringe that you do?


"Racist, misogynistic and xenophobic" aren't real. Spouting these buzzwords used only to shut down discussion is why Trump won the election.

The vast majority is what got Trump elected

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What? There have been a myriad of objective reasons given for criticizing Trump, not just as a candidate, but as a human being. Yes, discussing policy is important, but discussing the views, thoughts, and opinions expressed by a candidate is even more important otherwise how do you figure out if they'll attempt to follow through on their promises. "racist, misogynistic, xenophobic" are not just buzzwords, those are important things to be taken into consideration about a presidential candidate.


Perhaps, but this whole election was more about who trump was as a person than his policy. There is a reason that using ad hominem is considered a logical fallacy. Calling someone names doesn't make for an effective argument. Stating that his wall idea is bad because it would cost too much is a better argument than yelling that it is racist.

Also, trump has also been a flip-flopper on some issues. What he says now could very well change later. Also, many take to using words like "racist, misogynistic, etc" without feeling the need to ever have to back up their statements with context. Most of that is fear mongering. It is like how many black people, Hispanic, gay, people felt "in danger" after trump was elected. However, much of that fear is unfounded. Also, people also forget that trump has to go through congress, even though it is of republican majority atm, and also has to deal with the courts with the laws that he decides to pass. The man isn't king! it is more likely that people state these things about trump because he doesn't fit their politically correct narrative.

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electricdoomfire wrote:

Perhaps, but this whole election was more about who trump was as a person than his policy. There is a reason that using ad hominem is considered a logical fallacy. Calling someone names doesn't make for an effective argument. Stating that his wall idea is bad because it would cost too much is a better argument than yelling that it is racist.

Also, trump has also been a flip-flopper on some issues. What he says now could very well change later. Also, many take to using words like "racist, misogynistic, etc" without feeling the need to ever have to back up their statements with context. Most of that is fear mongering. It is like how many black people, Hispanic, gay, people felt "in danger" after trump was elected. However, much of that fear is unfounded. Also, people also forget that trump has to go through congress, even though it is of republican majority atm, and also has to deal with the courts with the laws that he decides to pass. The man isn't king! it is more likely that people state these things about trump because he doesn't fit their politically correct narrative.



Is it wrong to bring up questions of ethos when discussing Presidential candidates? I don't think so. They need to uphold all levels of scrutiny. Pathos and Logos are just as important but at the end of the day if you are failing morbidly in one or more of those areas then we need to have a discussion as far as leaders go.

People state these things about trump because he's out right said these things. It's that simple. The main stream never said these things about Bush because he never said xenophobic, etc. things. The masses aren't just birthing these claims out of thin air.


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mxdan wrote:



How else do you talk about being racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic?
Has it ever occurred to you that this is because the vast majority of people don't exist politically in this far right fringe that you do?


"Racist, misogynistic and xenophobic" aren't real. Spouting these buzzwords used only to shut down discussion is why Trump won the election.

The vast majority is what got Trump elected



Actually, technically, the majority voted for Hilary ;)

And if we assume that the majority do exist on the fringe than why have the last 8 years gone to obama? No, I suspect this election was more about people hating Hilary Clinton then them enjoying Donald Trump. He said more then enough things to disqualify most people as President.

Could you imagine if tape of Obama saying he grabs girls by the pussy because they don't resist him came out during his election? He'd be in jail right now. Give me a fucking break.
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I enjoy his tweets. Each character in the tweet is like a tiny sliver of glass in the eyes of many Liberals.


And an endless supply of salt . No but seriously, I like his tweets too because it's a way to speak directly to the people without it being filtered and twisted by the mainstream media.



pour that salt in the cuts from the glass lol
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Actually, technically, the majority voted for Hilary ;)




3 million illegal aliens were allowed to vote for her, they aren't Americans.

Lets see a recount of California
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mxdan wrote:



Actually, technically, the majority voted for Hilary ;)




3 million illegal aliens were allowed to vote for her, they aren't Americans.

Lets see a recount of California


I want the votes checked in all blue states. Let's see how many dead and non-citizens voted. Deport all those registered to vote but are not citizens. Maybe President trump will call for an investigation.
Posted 12/14/16 , edited 12/14/16

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


mxdan wrote:



Actually, technically, the majority voted for Hilary ;)




3 million illegal aliens were allowed to vote for her, they aren't Americans.

Lets see a recount of California


> yes let's recount California I am certain some illegals voted.. so can i just go to any country even if just visiting
and cast my vote
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so can i just go to any country even if just visiting
and cast my vote


In 'sanctuary' cities with no voter ID laws, what's stopping them?

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In 'sanctuary' cities with no voter ID laws, what's stopping them?



That actually does work. What you do is you show up at any polling station, tell them you want to vote and show them your SF city issued ID, and they give you a manual ballot so that you can cast a vote. All you need is a government issued ID, so polling stations do accept the SF ID. It happened right in front of me when I voted this year. And as the ballots are written in Spanish, Tagalog, Chinese, etc, you don't even need to understand English to vote.
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mxdan wrote:

How else do you talk about being racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic? People didn't make Donald say that he 'grabs girls by the pussy' and then let him do it. Stop ignoring reality to denounce buzzword. Words are meant to bridge the gap of minds to understand points. If that word makes you 'buzzed' that isn't the fault of the left. CLEARLY you have issue with it if it makes you emotional. Because the things he is doing are an ISSUE.

People constantly spin the media as being entirely biased. Has it ever occurred to you that this is because the vast majority of people don't exist politically in this far right fringe that you do? That there is a market for compassion politics with the general population and far right sermons like Alex jones constitute a position that is out of touch with a general and intelligent populace?

Probably not because your sermon tells you that everybody is AGAINST you. But make no mistake, you are on the extreme. Not the general center politics.


nice job employing a logical fallacy with your statements regarding what i supposedly think instead of looking at my argument. you are just proving my point. Too many times do people use words like racist, misogynistic, homophobic, etc to shut down conversation instead of looking at info objectively. I however, do look at info objectively. I have heard arguments from both sides of the spectrum and weighed them carefully to form my own opinion. I personally don't vote on personality characteristics. I vote on policy.

I will acknowledge that you and i share a difference of opinion on the man. However, you have not provided me with any indication that you are better informed than me on any issue. Why not talk about another issue regarding trump besides what he has said. TALK ABOUT POLICY! Don't try to label me simply because i share a different opinion than you.

I love how you assume that i am on the far right and that i'm extreme as i way to counteract the idea that the media isn't biased. No, they are biased. For instance, did the media give half as much attention to Clinton's emails, the violence that the DNC tried to insight at trump's own rallies, or the fact that she screwed over Sanders in the election as much as trump's "grab them by the pussy" video? You talk about me being emotional. It seems that it might be the other way around. Btw, i have never watched Alex Jones before.


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auroraloose wrote:

I don't think this is necessary, or a good idea. Do crunchygoers need or want a thread of what Trump is saying? [...] Also, this may not turn out how you want it to; Trump has said and linked to a lot of things. And I kind of think that it's impossible to separate the Trump phenomenon from internet bickering.


As we can see, the thread is already entirely internet bickering. What I should have realized yesterday is that that is what the majority of crunchygoers on GD wants. Though I suppose rujikin's "There is one Trump, and I am his messenger" thing is a little different.
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