First  Prev  429  430  431  432  433  434  435  436  437  438  439  440  441  Next  Last
Post Reply The Daily Donald
1079 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

octorockandroll wrote:

Honestly, if Trump just looks at the fact that his actions inspire and embolden violent nazis and is just okay with that, expressing no desire to do anything any differently, then he simply justifies all the previously unfounded nazi accusations the opposition leveled at him.


He tweeted condolences to the two police officers who died yesterday but had absolutely nothing to do with the protests on the ground.

For the protesters that were run over he tweeted his 'best regards'. These were people who were injured literally protesting against racism and bigotry in America. Yet his primary concerns were the police officers who died doing their jobs.

Meanwhile it's been complete silence all day today.

Occam's razor would lead us to the simplest conclusion here. The only way for trump not to have sided with the neo-nazis is to give him tons of benefit of the doubt that he hasn't earned at all based on his actions throughout the past couple of years, but especially during the past year.

It's absolutely embarrassing that his wife and his daughter have been more forthcoming in their statements. While the 'president' himself is AWOL on some golf course in new jersey. The day after a domestic terrorist attack in the US.

If the guy who had driven the car had been a brown man he would have been all over this story all day long and finding every opportunity to lump all immigrants as the perpetrators.
runec 
39954 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Online
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17
I won't dignify it with a link. But one of the headlines over at Daily Stormer is:

"Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut"

These are the people you are so proudly defending from "The Left".


1079 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

runec wrote:

I won't dignify it with a link. But one of the headlines over at Daily Stormer is:

"Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut"

These are the people you are so proudly defending from "The Left".




Imagine someone wakes up on a saturday morning and their plan for the day is to march through town with a nazi flag.

The people with that twisted mindset are the ones that website is catering to. They're so toxic. Like their only purpose in life in spreading their cancerous hateful ideas.

Should it be any surprise that their response to this tragedy is spewing more hate? Personally I can't even imagine what it must be to be around people like that in real life.

In fact I can imagine, because it's practically not that different from a young muslim reading a radical jihadist website daily.

The people who read sites like the stormer are being radicalized daily. And we just accept it, until someone goes out and does something crazy and we all act surprised.

I feel like this parody account is so apt in terms of what took place yesterday: https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/896555103913730048

The alt-right/white nationalist Trump supporters (in fact Donald Trump himself) would be using exactly that rationale had the person who drove that car been a muslim.

And his mother knew he was radicalized all along and alerted no one. Irony that will literally go over all of their heads.
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

21stCenturyGemini wrote:


He tweeted condolences to the two police officers who died yesterday but had absolutely nothing to do with the protests on the ground.


Wrong again.
They were monitoring the antifa rioters. Or were supposed to, but they crashed.

http://archive.is/gKDfy


runec wrote:

I won't dignify it with a link. But one of the headlines over at Daily Stormer is:

"Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut"

These are the people you are so proudly defending from "The Left".




So the guy that wrote that headline is everyone at that rally? K den
Tell me... who emboldened this guy
Was it Trump?
12145 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
20 / M / Winnipeg, MB.
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17


runec wrote:

I won't dignify it with a link. But one of the headlines over at Daily Stormer is:

"Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut"

These are the people you are so proudly defending from "The Left".




So the guy that wrote that headline is everyone at that rally? K den
Tell me... who emboldened this guy
Was it Trump?


Ha ha ha, what the actual fuck? You're seriously bringing up the baseball shooter guy as a deflection attempt? If I recall correctly, that guy supported Bernie Sanders, who was extremely direct and specific in condemning the shooting and calling the piece of shit out on being a piece of shit. That's, you know, the entire thing people are mad at Trump for not doing. You tried to show a double standard by citing an example of one of Trump's rivals who people are not mad at, because he did what people are mad at Trump for not doing. Do you even realize what the issue with that is?
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

octorockandroll wrote:


Ha ha ha, what the actual fuck? You're seriously bringing up the baseball shooter guy as a deflection attempt? If I recall correctly, that guy supported Bernie Sanders, who was extremely direct and specific in condemning the shooting and calling the piece of shit out on being a piece of shit.


"If I have to take responsibility for everybody who voted for me it would be a very difficult life"
t. Bernie Sanders in 2016 when asked about his supporter who attempted to assassinate Trump

Edit: Forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn7fCT7zkaQ



15866 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M
Online
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17
To me, the issue is a lot larger than any emboldening of radical individuals or groups (although it is dangerous and a bit hypocritical to use such soft language when denouncing white nationalists). I think the problem is that Trump drives people apart. Not just in an "antifa" vs "nazis" sense, but in a larger sense. America is becoming more divided and more partisan.

This is a trend that has been happening for a while, so I don't think Trump should shoulder the blame, but I think this country has gotten to a place where this is quite possibly the biggest domestic issue facing our nation. We need a president who can bring us together and work to heal the partisan divide. Trump makes no attempt to work across the aisle, compromise or understand those with a perspective that differs from his own and he encourages his followers to do the same. The only conceivable way that Trump could be bringing people together is by making both the right and the left hate him, but all that really does in practice is fracture our country in another direction.

I think it is silly to "blame" this on Trump, but I do think that this is a symptom of a divided nation that Trump has done little to address (and has arguably exacerbated). However, the weakness of his responses indicates an unwillingness to turn his back to extremist elements who do work to further divide our nation and an inability to lead us out of the difficulties that this country is facing.
12145 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
20 / M / Winnipeg, MB.
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Ha ha ha, what the actual fuck? You're seriously bringing up the baseball shooter guy as a deflection attempt? If I recall correctly, that guy supported Bernie Sanders, who was extremely direct and specific in condemning the shooting and calling the piece of shit out on being a piece of shit.


"If I have to take responsibility for everybody who voted for me it would be a very difficult life"
t. Bernie Sanders in 2016 when asked about his supporter who attempted to assassinate Trump

Edit: Forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn7fCT7zkaQ





You know if you actually led with that instead of the mother of all false equivalences, you would at least have had an argument worth taking seriously. Still a fallacious argument, but certainly more dignifiable than getting upset at people for not having a double standard. As it is now though, all it is is another miserable attempt at deflecting, barely even worth the remark on how you keep trying to drag the conversation farther and farther away from the original point because you know your argument has no leg to stand on.
2608 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/14/17

sundin13 wrote:

To me, the issue is a lot larger than any emboldening of radical individuals or groups (although it is dangerous and a bit hypocritical to use such soft language when denouncing white nationalists). I think the problem is that Trump drives people apart. Not just in an "antifa" vs "nazis" sense, but in a larger sense. America is becoming more divided and more partisan.

This is a trend that has been happening for a while, so I don't think Trump should shoulder the blame, but I think this country has gotten to a place where this is quite possibly the biggest domestic issue facing our nation. We need a president who can bring us together and work to heal the partisan divide. Trump makes no attempt to work across the aisle, compromise or understand those with a perspective that differs from his own and he encourages his followers to do the same. The only conceivable way that Trump could be bringing people together is by making both the right and the left hate him, but all that really does in practice is fracture our country in another direction.

I think it is silly to "blame" this on Trump, but I do think that this is a symptom of a divided nation that Trump has done little to address (and has arguably exacerbated). However, the weakness of his responses indicates an unwillingness to turn his back to extremist elements who do work to further divide our nation and an inability to lead us out of the difficulties that this country is facing.


Very much this. It's not something worth giving him a ton of heat over, as he's at least as much of a symptom as he is a cause, but until he's out of office and replaced by someone who is capable of doing something about it, I don't think it's going to get any better.
20208 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/14/17
Honestly, this has to be the most retarded conversation I've seen on CR. Arguing who's emboldening who while both sides making wild apotheoses.

At the end of the day, people pay the consequences for their choices and their actions. Not Trump. Not Antifa. Not the Alt-right. Nor anybody except the person that choose to act will receive punishment.
qwueri 
24154 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
32 / M / TN
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/14/17

sundin13 wrote:

To me, the issue is a lot larger than any emboldening of radical individuals or groups (although it is dangerous and a bit hypocritical to use such soft language when denouncing white nationalists). I think the problem is that Trump drives people apart. Not just in an "antifa" vs "nazis" sense, but in a larger sense. America is becoming more divided and more partisan.

This is a trend that has been happening for a while, so I don't think Trump should shoulder the blame, but I think this country has gotten to a place where this is quite possibly the biggest domestic issue facing our nation. We need a president who can bring us together and work to heal the partisan divide. Trump makes no attempt to work across the aisle, compromise or understand those with a perspective that differs from his own and he encourages his followers to do the same. The only conceivable way that Trump could be bringing people together is by making both the right and the left hate him, but all that really does in practice is fracture our country in another direction.

I think it is silly to "blame" this on Trump, but I do think that this is a symptom of a divided nation that Trump has done little to address (and has arguably exacerbated). However, the weakness of his responses indicates an unwillingness to turn his back to extremist elements who do work to further divide our nation and an inability to lead us out of the difficulties that this country is facing.


Well said. Trump does make token statements about coming together, but his actions utterly fail to deliver. As soon as anything goes against him or an agenda he's pushing, he's decrying the 'enemy' ("fake news", "sore losers", "traitor conservatives", etc).

The entire political mess feels like political gamesmanship gone completely out of control. The idea that each side of the political spectrum must lean as far to the extreme as possible, make the other side lose, and punish compromise. There's always been some element of that, but it seems to have gotten exponentially worse with push of the ACA, and has avalanched ever since. Not to say the ACA is necessarily the sole cause, but the rhetoric surrounding it signaled the spurious growth of grassroots zero-sum politicking.

Although, while Trump may not be the cause of scorched earth politics, his consistent use of it has made him the head of that style of discourse. And he's certainly in the position to shape the matter of discourse in the country, shaping it intentionally or not.
2608 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/14/17

qwueri wrote:Well said. Trump does make token statements about coming together, but his actions utterly fail to deliver. As soon as anything goes against him or an agenda he's pushing, he's decrying the 'enemy' ("fake news", "sore losers", "traitor conservatives", etc).

The entire political mess feels like political gamesmanship gone completely out of control. The idea that each side of the political spectrum must lean as far to the extreme as possible, make the other side lose, and punish compromise. There's always been some element of that, but it seems to have gotten exponentially worse with push of the ACA, and has avalanched ever since. Not to say the ACA is necessarily the sole cause, but the rhetoric surrounding it signaled the spurious growth of grassroots zero-sum politicking.

Although, while Trump may not be the cause of scorched earth politics, his consistent use of it has made him the head of that style of discourse. And he's certainly in the position to shape the matter of discourse in the country, shaping it intentionally or not.


Now that you mention it. Obama's failure to bring Republicans on board with the ACA (not from lack of trying on his part) is the most recent time I can think of that anyone seriously tried to reach across the aisle in regards to a major piece of legislation.

It seems our biggest bet right now would be a bipartisan attempt to modify Obamacare. Now that the GOP's attempts to repeal Obamacare have at least temporarily ground to a halt, I think now would be a good time for moderates of both parties to offer an alternative. I won't pretend to be an expert on it, but from what I understand, Obamacare does have issues, and an attempt to deal with those issues without scrapping the ACA would probably be the most likely to succeed at this point.
qwueri 
24154 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
32 / M / TN
Offline
Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/14/17

Mishio1 wrote:

Now that you mention it. Obama's failure to bring Republicans on board with the ACA (not from lack of trying on his part) is the most recent time I can think of that anyone seriously tried to reach across the aisle in regards to a major piece of legislation.

It seems our biggest bet right now would be a bipartisan attempt to modify Obamacare. Now that the GOP's attempts to repeal Obamacare have at least temporarily ground to a halt, I think now would be a good time for moderates of both parties to offer an alternative. I won't pretend to be an expert on it, but from what I understand, Obamacare does have issues, and an attempt to deal with those issues without scrapping the ACA would probably be the most likely to succeed at this point.


There's been rumblings from both sides of the aisle of a bipartisan effort to reform the ACA, but neither McConnell nor Ryan nor Trump have expressed a desire to slog through that. More likely they'll try the same kind of push for tax reform, while trying to work smaller repeal and replace measures through.

The bottom line is that strong blocks in the RNC base don't have the stomach for bipartisanship. Not the Tea Party, not Brietbart, not The Donald, and certainly not the skinheads.

But I doubt even a successful bi-partisan success in reforming the ACA would do much in itself to cool rhetoric at this point. The ACA itself was a catalyst that brought together alot of elements, but it stems further back than that with the intensifying concept of a cultural war over political correctness and popularization of extremist media bubbles. It's a mess that's been a long time in the making, and there's not current clear path out of that. So long as enemy politics is a popular means to energize and empower a political base, there's fat chance it's going to get better.
Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17


Well, he wasn't wrong. Also a youtuber guy got blinded by antifa using cleaning chemicals of some kind like pepper spray.

Edit: Looks like Trump caved again, just like in that 60 minutes interview about hate crime hoaxes. I guess I can't blame him, but capitulating to people that want him out of office at the very least isn't going to do him any favors. Some are already attacking him for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNMAyy3eH3c



79 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M
Offline
Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17
why is "The daily Donald" a thing on crunchyroll? I get enough hearing about the moron on the tv, internet, radio, why must I see that morons name here as well?
First  Prev  429  430  431  432  433  434  435  436  437  438  439  440  441  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.