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The Prevalence of Suicidal Consideration
Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16
Note: The probability that I'll commit suicide in the near future is very nearly 0%.

I'll be clear from the outset: my interest in this thread is not in things like "can suicide be justified" or "what causes suicidal thoughts" or anything of the like. In fact, you might say that what I'm interested in is what causes someone to never consider suicide. There's an abundance of study on the other end, rightfully and understandably. But I am curious about the other end of the spectrum.

I have a theory, of which part of the purpose of this thread is to test, that the serious consideration of suicide at some point in one's life is a normal thing in mentally healthy people. By 'serious,' I don't mean that you were "in serious danger of committing suicide" or wanted, attempted, or were very close to attempting, suicide, but that at some point you resolutely attempted an answer to the question, more or less, "might there be circumstances under which I would be better off dead?" There are, I think, such things as "healthy suicidal thoughts." For the interested parties, I'll try to illustrate.



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So, I want to test my theory. Again, I'm not interested in talking about suicide or the justification or how to deal with it, persay. I'm interested in, sort of, the lack of suicidal thoughts. Is there anyone here that has never considered suicide? I'm interested in seeing why you think that might be? Do you think religion plays a factor? Is it just something like "it never occurred to me"? Do you think it a matter of upbringing? Your world-view?

I don't really want this thread to be about when people do think about suicide. There are, in all honesty, far better places to discuss that. Since it seems so natural to me to have these thoughts at some point, I'm interested in how a person never thinks about it, given knowledge of its existence. Perhaps you yourself have never considered it, or perhaps you have talked to someone that has claimed to have never considered it. What do you suppose are the causes? (Although it does seem strange to talk about the cause of a non-event, I think it is comprehensible) If you have thought about it, how normal or prevalent do you believe suicidal thoughts to be in others?
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Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16
I don't think it's possible to have answer to suicide without having questioned it at some point--even if that answer was that "it isn't a good answer".

Frankly, you'd already prevent them from never considering it by the mere reading of this topic.

Are you instead seeking someone who has never imagined circumstance that may result in their suicide?

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I'd rather kill myself thank read all that
Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16

PrinceJudar wrote:

I don't think it's possible to have answer to suicide without having questioned it at some point--even if that answer was that "it isn't a good answer".

Frankly, you'd already prevent them from never considering it by the mere reading of this topic.

Are you instead seeking someone who has never imagined circumstance that may result in their suicide?



It's what I was trying to get across by the word 'serious.' I reckon some people, when confronted with the problem, simply think things like 'it's just wrong' or 'I'd never do that' or something similar, and don't think about it at all. But I always thought it an important enough issue that these people were very few, and that nearly everyone tries to come up with really solid reasons or tries not to avoid the issue. Perhaps I'm asking a stupid question, but when I talked to some family members about it, it was like they had never thought about it before. I'm trying to work out whether I have an accurate view of what other people are thinking and how they go about their life. Like I said, all these things seemed very obviously like things everyone would think about. But when I encountered a situation that seemed like it might disprove my belief, I wanted to test it.
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Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16

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It's what I was trying to get across by the word 'serious.' I reckon some people, when confronted with the problem, simply think things like 'it's just wrong' or 'I'd never do that' or something similar, and don't think about it at all. But I always thought it an important enough issue that these people were very few, and that nearly everyone tries to come up with really solid reasons or tries not to avoid the issue. Perhaps I'm asking a stupid question, but when I talked to some family members about it, it was like they had never thought about it before. I'm trying to work out whether I have an accurate view of what other people are thinking and how they go about their life. Like I said, all these things seemed very obviously like things everyone would think about. But when I encountered a situation that seemed like it might disprove my belief, I wanted to test it.


I can say I more often had serious considerations of it back when I had depression. I notice a significant lack of serious and prolific consideration of suicide (or scenarios that would result in such) since no longer having depression. I would think an individual does not often or heavily consider circumstances that he/she does not consider applicable or probable. It's like asking if people ever seriously considered being bitten by an alligator--likely those that live in areas where it is more probable may have seriously considered it at some point, while those in areas where they are not commonplace (or perhaps not ever sighted outside of a zoo enclosure) likely have not.

If you asked people to seriously consider it--then people are certainly capable of doing so. It just may not have been heavily considered based on their circumstances (low probability versus high). Essentially they have not come across many "problems" or imaginings where it was a potential "answer".

Essentially you're looking for people with a past and present-time low probability of committing suicide. That doesn't entail people that seriously consider suicide or its scenarios have a high probability, of course.

Posted 12/16/16
Suicide is for quitters. I have to hope that there is some kind of reward after a life time of dealing with so many stupid people. Suicide would most likely be against the rules and penalized in some way.
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Suicide is for quitters. I have to hope that there is some kind of reward after a life time of dealing with so many stupid people. Suicide would most likely be against the rules and penalized in some way.


Given the option, would you rather be raped for 20 years daily in a North Korean prison or suicide?


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Xxanthar wrote:

Suicide is for quitters. I have to hope that there is some kind of reward after a life time of dealing with so many stupid people. Suicide would most likely be against the rules and penalized in some way.


Given the option, would you rather be raped for 20 years daily in a North Korean prison or suicide?





Will first I'd avoid the problem by staying away from north korea in the first place, then I'd probably die by ripping the throat from a guard if I did manage to end up in one of their prisons.
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theYchromosome wrote:

Note: The probability that I'll commit suicide in the near future is very nearly 0%.

I'll be clear from the outset: my interest in this thread is not in things like "can suicide be justified" or "what causes suicidal thoughts" or anything of the like. In fact, you might say that what I'm interested in is what causes someone to never consider suicide. There's an abundance of study on the other end, rightfully and understandably. But I am curious about the other end of the spectrum.

I have a theory, of which part of the purpose of this thread is to test, that the serious consideration of suicide at some point in one's life is a normal thing in mentally healthy people. By 'serious,' I don't mean that you were "in serious danger of committing suicide" or wanted, attempted, or were very close to attempting, suicide, but that at some point you resolutely attempted an answer to the question, more or less, "might there be circumstances under which I would be better off dead?" There are, I think, such things as "healthy suicidal thoughts." For the interested parties, I'll try to illustrate.



TL;DR
So, I want to test my theory. Again, I'm not interested in talking about suicide or the justification or how to deal with it, persay. I'm interested in, sort of, the lack of suicidal thoughts. Is there anyone here that has never considered suicide? I'm interested in seeing why you think that might be? Do you think religion plays a factor? Is it just something like "it never occurred to me"? Do you think it a matter of upbringing? Your world-view?

I don't really want this thread to be about when people do think about suicide. There are, in all honesty, far better places to discuss that. Since it seems so natural to me to have these thoughts at some point, I'm interested in how a person never thinks about it, given knowledge of its existence. Perhaps you yourself have never considered it, or perhaps you have talked to someone that has claimed to have never considered it. What do you suppose are the causes? (Although it does seem strange to talk about the cause of a non-event, I think it is comprehensible) If you have thought about it, how normal or prevalent do you believe suicidal thoughts to be in others?


I could be wrong but I think there is a medical term to describe people fantasizing about things they would never do. It's a useful brain adaptation for many reasons. One of which is it helps us think about the consequences afterwards.
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Potentsaliva wrote:

I'd rather kill myself thank read all that


Kek. I am tired of reading suicide threads and this comment makes it worth while.

Let's see. No never tried and never going to /thread
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Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16

Xxanthar wrote:

Suicide is for quitters. I have to hope that there is some kind of reward after a life time of dealing with so many stupid people. Suicide would most likely be against the rules and penalized in some way.


There you go again with your ignorant blanket statements. There is a whole world of nuance in regards to actual suicide. And besides, his thread isn't even about actual suicide so I don't understand what your point is. Regardless, when a person kills themselves it isn't something most people do on a whim. People who kill themselves are usually intelligent enough to feel the full scope of something weighing them down. They usually come from a wide range of things that turned them into the person they are that aren't entirely in their control. Depression is linked to suicide. Depression also happens to be partly genetic.

With that said suicide may be genetic also.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111007113941.htm

Not everything can be boiled down to simple semantics...
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Posted 12/16/16
"I'de rather kill myself than read all that" Seconded!! LoL


Its pretty simple, someone who never considers suicide obviously has something very important to live for. Something so important that they could never possibly conceive of abandoning it.

I am a chronically depressed individual, and consider suicide so often it has lost much of its meaning. However about a year ago something came into my life that precluded all thought of death. And i did not even notice the change in my mindset for months.
Posted 12/16/16

Xxanthar wrote:


PrinceJudar wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:

Suicide is for quitters. I have to hope that there is some kind of reward after a life time of dealing with so many stupid people. Suicide would most likely be against the rules and penalized in some way.


Given the option, would you rather be raped for 20 years daily in a North Korean prison or suicide?





Will first I'd avoid the problem by staying away from north korea in the first place, then I'd probably die by ripping the throat from a guard if I did manage to end up in one of their prisons.


Just a thought, but, North Korea would probably be better if Our Glorious Leader quit being an Autocrat. Quitting isn't an inherently bad thing. People usually want to quit making bad investment decisions, or quit smoking, or quit being such a cunt. A whole range of things that are improved with a good old-fashioned quitter's attitude.
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THAT... is a lot of text. Nah, not reading that shit.
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I always the idea of not even thinking about something was pretty stupid. When someone say's I shouldn't even think about something I tell them no: I have though thought it and will continue to do so; how could I not if we are discussing it?

I'm not sure if claiming to not even thing about something is mostly a social trick (a way to indicate you arn't likely to take action based on it by telling an exaggeration/lie) or actually serious.

I consider all manner of things that people would refer to as unthinkable. Maybe it has to do with me being an atheist (I have no inherent rules), but I have thought through why I don't want to kill-myself, murder people, be a terrorist, steal, rape, perform self mutilation etc. It seems to me discarding whole categories of potential actions a priori is foolish. Considering such things isn't always "dark". Just as I realize in some cases I could get away with killing someone, but I'd rather not, I often realize I'm in a situation where some stranger could easily kill me, but I trust people to generally be good people and not do that. I acknowledge risks, but is genuinely reassuring how nice most people are.

The idea of not thinking seriously about suicide seems socially unreasonable given that its a significant issue in our society. I feel that way about a lot of things: more though and discussion is good.
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