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As the title implies. I see a lot of people in general discussion doing things like saying, "I'd rather kill myself then read all of that," or post memes that derail discussion. Instead of having to deal with this anytime someone has a question or a discussion how about just making a forum within General discussion for serious talk only? That way we could leave general discussion for light hearted discussion and conversation and put serious, answer finding, procedure in a place were it doesn't feel off.

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mxdan wrote:

As the title implies. I see a lot of people in general discussion doing things like saying, "I'd rather kill myself then read all of that," or post memes that derail discussion. Instead of having to deal with this anytime someone has a question or a discussion how about just making a forum within General discussion for serious talk only? That way we could leave general discussion for light hearted discussion and conversation and put serious, answer finding, procedure in a place were it doesn't feel off.

Thoughts?


In fact having a separate forum category for more controversial topics is currently under serious consideration and might happen, but personally I'm opposed to it. This is largely because in the past when we did have a separate "Extended Discussion" forum it became pretty much a cesspool. True, people weren't being frivolous but it had a real tendency to get toxic and attract people who might claim they wanted a serious discussion but for lots of folks it ended up looking like what they really wanted was to spew increasingly incomprehensible and hateful wall-o-text rants at one another.

I agree that sometimes frivolous responses and memes can derail a topic and stop it from getting traction, but often those sorts of responses can also serve as a way of balancing things out, so the discussion is a mix of different kinds of responses.

I think I might know what recent topic you're concerned about. I'll go take a look and see if seems to need any intervention, or if we just need to wait and see a bit. The more serious folks who are interested in the topic may simply have not had time yet to draft a thoughtful, serious reply. (And sometimes the short replies, or the memes, really are genuine replies.)
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lorreen wrote:


mxdan wrote:

As the title implies. I see a lot of people in general discussion doing things like saying, "I'd rather kill myself then read all of that," or post memes that derail discussion. Instead of having to deal with this anytime someone has a question or a discussion how about just making a forum within General discussion for serious talk only? That way we could leave general discussion for light hearted discussion and conversation and put serious, answer finding, procedure in a place were it doesn't feel off.

Thoughts?


In fact having a separate forum category for more controversial topics is currently under serious consideration and might happen, but personally I'm opposed to it. This is largely because in the past when we did have a separate "Extended Discussion" forum it became pretty much a cesspool. True, people weren't being frivolous but it had a real tendency to get toxic and attract people who might claim they wanted a serious discussion but for lots of folks it ended up looking like what they really wanted was to spew increasingly incomprehensible and hateful wall-o-text rants at one another.

I agree that sometimes frivolous responses and memes can derail a topic and stop it from getting traction, but often those sorts of responses can also serve as a way of balancing things out, so the discussion is a mix of different kinds of responses.

I think I might know what recent topic you're concerned about. I'll go take a look and see if seems to need any intervention, or if we just need to wait and see a bit. The more serious folks who are interested in the topic may simply have not had time yet to draft a thoughtful, serious reply. (And sometimes the short replies, or the memes, really are genuine replies.)


"This is largely because in the past when we did have a separate "Extended Discussion" forum it became pretty much a cesspool. True, people weren't being frivolous but it had a real tendency to get toxic and attract people who might claim they wanted a serious discussion but for lots of folks it ended up looking like what they really wanted was to spew increasingly incomprehensible and hateful wall-o-text rants at one another."

Lorreen no offence but....that's kind of what we are already starting to see although not as bad.
i would argue atleast with another forum regular users can avoid it (that doesn't fix the issue or help the mods but it does increase customer happiness i assume).

But that's just my opinion on the matter i feel we are seeing just a small bit of what is to come.
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Posted 12/17/16

lorreen wrote:


mxdan wrote:

As the title implies. I see a lot of people in general discussion doing things like saying, "I'd rather kill myself then read all of that," or post memes that derail discussion. Instead of having to deal with this anytime someone has a question or a discussion how about just making a forum within General discussion for serious talk only? That way we could leave general discussion for light hearted discussion and conversation and put serious, answer finding, procedure in a place were it doesn't feel off.

Thoughts?


In fact having a separate forum category for more controversial topics is currently under serious consideration and might happen, but personally I'm opposed to it. This is largely because in the past when we did have a separate "Extended Discussion" forum it became pretty much a cesspool. True, people weren't being frivolous but it had a real tendency to get toxic and attract people who might claim they wanted a serious discussion but for lots of folks it ended up looking like what they really wanted was to spew increasingly incomprehensible and hateful wall-o-text rants at one another.

I agree that sometimes frivolous responses and memes can derail a topic and stop it from getting traction, but often those sorts of responses can also serve as a way of balancing things out, so the discussion is a mix of different kinds of responses.

I think I might know what recent topic you're concerned about. I'll go take a look and see if seems to need any intervention, or if we just need to wait and see a bit. The more serious folks who are interested in the topic may simply have not had time yet to draft a thoughtful, serious reply. (And sometimes the short replies, or the memes, really are genuine replies.)


Interesting. If there is one thing I may suggest it's that even if a separate category leads to awful discussion it may be easier for you guys to moderate the bad stuff if it is all concentrated somewhere. Beyond that, I think a place for serious discussion needs leaders who sort of step up and moderate a place like that in a way any debate forum would. That is to say that they really come down hard on people who attack others instead of making meaningful discussion.

I know it can be kind of difficult for you guys though because your dealing with paying costumers. It's hard to be too hard on certain topics because that is bad for business. This place must be really hard to moderate.
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