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Post Reply Chain Chronicle - The Light of Haecceitas MOVIE VERSION Discussion
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Plot Summary/Synopsis

This is the story of the Chain Chronicle, a book that describes everything that happens in the world. The citizens of the remote continent of Yggd once thought that there was nothing beyond their continent. The continent was divided into several regions, each with its own king. Though there were small skirmishes amongst them, a lord, chosen by the kings in conference, always maintained balance, until the evil Black Army arrived. The Volunteer Army, led by Yuri, was no match for the Black Army. During the fighting, the Lord of Black captures half of the Chain Chronicle, as well as the capital.

It's up on CR now
http://www.crunchyroll.com/chain-chronicle-the-light-of-haecceitas-/episode-1-726405

Note: This is movie version. TV version airs in January but I'm not sure there will be differences between the two.
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Posted 12/16/16
This might be something.
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Was looking forward to this.
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Alright, just watched the first 'episode', I'm really impressed by the this show. Chain Chronicle has some truly beautiful animation, some of the best I've seen in recent years. In particular, I think that the use of lighting deserves special mentioned. Everything from the sun shining through stained glass windows to the glow of mana is just so vibrant. I look forward to seeing more episodes; Chain Chronicle might already be the standout anime of the season.
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Well, that was just about the most generic fantasy anime I've ever seen.

I mean, it wasn't bad by any means but it just screamed "you've seen this about a million times before" with nearly every frame. The music felt just as cliche as the rest of the show to the point where it was actually kind of funny. The art was pretty inconsistent with some parts looking quite nice (character designs in general, Aram in combat) but some just looking meh.

Oh, and I know your anime is based on a game but could you please not include (and explain) blatantly obvious game mechanics as if you're part of a game tutorial? You're not, you're an anime. k? thx

I'll probably watch more of it as it wasn't really offensive but watching it just made me want to watch something more original and/or better.
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StriderShinryu wrote:

Well, that was just about the most generic fantasy anime I've ever seen.

I mean, it wasn't bad by any means but it just screamed "you've seen this about a million times before" with nearly every frame. The music felt just as cliche as the rest of the show to the point where it was actually kind of funny. The art was pretty inconsistent with some parts looking quite nice (character designs in general, Aram in combat) but some just looking meh.

Oh, and I know your anime is based on a game but could you please not include (and explain) blatantly obvious game mechanics as if you're part of a game tutorial? You're not, you're an anime. k? thx

I'll probably watch more of it as it wasn't really offensive but watching it just made me want to watch something more original and/or better.

You're really looking at Chain Chronicle from the wrong perspective. Now normally an anime is created alongside a new game and/or merchandise line to help sell that product. However, the situation is different here; Chain Chronicle is already a successful game, it's one of the most popular mobile games in Japan. Other mobile RPGs come and go but Chain Chronicle continues to retain its popularity even years after release. This fact has informed the anime as well, it's a celebration of Chain Chronicle for the millions of fans that the game has already gained. What you see here is a great anime that is already giving fans exactly what they want to see.

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Posted 12/16/16 , edited 4/14/17

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StriderShinryu wrote:

Well, that was just about the most generic fantasy anime I've ever seen.

I mean, it wasn't bad by any means but it just screamed "you've seen this about a million times before" with nearly every frame. The music felt just as cliche as the rest of the show to the point where it was actually kind of funny. The art was pretty inconsistent with some parts looking quite nice (character designs in general, Aram in combat) but some just looking meh.

Oh, and I know your anime is based on a game but could you please not include (and explain) blatantly obvious game mechanics as if you're part of a game tutorial? You're not, you're an anime. k? thx

I'll probably watch more of it as it wasn't really offensive but watching it just made me want to watch something more original and/or better.

You're really looking at Chain Chronicle from the wrong perspective. Now normally an anime is created alongside a new game and/or merchandise line to help sell that product. However, the situation is different here; Chain Chronicle is already a successful game, it's one of the most popular mobile games in Japan. Other mobile RPGs come and go but Chain Chronicle continues to retain its popularity even years after release. This fact has informed the anime as well, it's a celebration of Chain Chronicle for the millions of fans that the game has already gained. What you see here is a great anime that is already giving fans exactly what they want to see.



Eh, not really. What I'm seeing is a derivative fantasy anime that does the same things a ton of other anime, movies, TV shows, books, games, etc. have already done without really adding anything new or interesting. I'm also seeing an anime that has inconsistent visual quality and shoehorned in game mechanics (becuz it was a game B4! derp) despite it not being a game. If what they wanted to make was a celebration commercial for Chain Chronicle then that's fine. What they actually made, however, is an anime and I'm judging it as an anime. As with the Phantasy Star Online anime, just because a game is popular and has a large fan base doesn't mean they can shovel out an anime version and have it pass the smell test just because (though, to this point, the Chain Chronicle anime is miles better than PSO was).
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StriderShinryu wrote:

Eh, not really. What I'm seeing is a derivative fantasy anime that does the same things a ton of other anime, movies, TV shows, books, games, etc. have already done without really adding anything new or interesting. I'm also seeing an anime that has inconsistent visual quality and shoehorned in game mechanics (becuz it was a game B4! derp) despite it not being a game. If what they wanted to make was a celebration commercial for Chain Chronicle then that's fine. What they actually made, however, is an anime and I'm judging it as an anime. As with the Phantasy Star Online anime, just because a game is popular and has a large fan base doesn't mean they can shovel out an anime version and have it pass the smell test just because (though, to this point, the Chain Chronicle anime is miles better than PSO was).

You still have no idea what you're dealing with here. When a game becomes so big in popular culture a certain amount of assumed knowledge is required. That you, who readily mocks Chain Chronicle's setting and characters, are the outsider. Weighed against the millions of people already interested in Chain Chronicle it makes perfect sense to jump straight into the thick of things, even if it risks alienating those few in the target demographic not already familiar with the game. Nevertheless, you should at least appreciate the quality of this anime, especially in terms of its visuals and general product values. For good reason Chain Chronicle is one of the most anticipated anime of the season, this is one of the most beautiful shows in years.
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 2/17/17

Kintor wrote:


StriderShinryu wrote:

Eh, not really. What I'm seeing is a derivative fantasy anime that does the same things a ton of other anime, movies, TV shows, books, games, etc. have already done without really adding anything new or interesting. I'm also seeing an anime that has inconsistent visual quality and shoehorned in game mechanics (becuz it was a game B4! derp) despite it not being a game. If what they wanted to make was a celebration commercial for Chain Chronicle then that's fine. What they actually made, however, is an anime and I'm judging it as an anime. As with the Phantasy Star Online anime, just because a game is popular and has a large fan base doesn't mean they can shovel out an anime version and have it pass the smell test just because (though, to this point, the Chain Chronicle anime is miles better than PSO was).

You still have no idea what you're dealing with here. When a game becomes so big in popular culture a certain amount of assumed knowledge is required. That you, who readily mocks Chain Chronicle's setting and characters, are the outsider. Weighed against the millions of people already interested in Chain Chronicle it makes perfect sense to jump straight into the thick of things, even if it risks alienating those few in the target demographic not already familiar with the game. Nevertheless, you should at least appreciate the quality of this anime, especially in terms of its visuals and general product values. For good reason Chain Chronicle is one of the most anticipated anime of the season, this is one of the most beautiful shows in years.


Look, we've been down this road before so I'll keep it simple. We both know that once you've decided something is great that you'll relentlessly defend it largely with nonsense and won't listen to anything anyone else says.

I don't care that it's anticipated or based on a popular property. No one who actually cares about anime (or any other media would, really). I care if it's a good anime or not, and Chain Chronicle isn't. It's not bad, sure, but it's not great. And, even if it had started out great, it's still way too early to be calling it out as being great in full. Erased started out amazing and ended up flat on it's face by the end. This season's Izetta started out great but ended up stumbling around and ended solid but nowhere near where it started.

I agree it looks largely decent, and even very good at moments, but having money thrown at a series like was probably the case here also doesn't make a good anime. Once again, someone who actually cares about the medium would have higher standards.

But I digress and have already gone on longer than is worthwhile. In your mind, I've defamed one of your precious little birds and thus have no idea what I'm talking about.

Cheers!
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/20/16
That was...incredibly mediocre.

It felt like it was trying to subvert JRPG tropes but instead came off as even more generic than the dine a dozen plot seen in video games.

It was pretty well animated, so there's that going for it if nothing else.

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StriderShinryu wrote:

Look, we've been down this road before so I'll keep it simple. We both know that once you've decided something is great that you'll relentlessly defend it largely with nonsense and won't listen to anything anyone else says.

I don't care that it's anticipated or based on a popular property. No one who actually cares about anime (or any other media would, really). I care if it's a good anime or not, and Chain Chronicle isn't. It's not bad, sure, but it's not great. And, even if it had started out great, it's still way too early to be calling it out as being great in full. Erased started out amazing and ended up flat on it's face by the end. This season's Izetta started out great but ended up stumbling around and ended solid but nowhere near where it started.

I agree it looks largely decent, and even very good at moments, but having money thrown at a series like was probably the case here also doesn't make a good anime. Once again, someone who actually cares about the medium would have higher standards.

But I digress and have already gone on longer than is worthwhile. In your mind, I've defamed one of your precious little birds and thus have no idea what I'm talking about.

Cheers!

Now really, there's no need to make this personal. It's no secret that I'm an old school Sega fan, always fighting for Sega's cause since the 16-bit console war. So when Sega funds a new anime based on one of their IPs, as is the case with Chain Chronicle today, I'm eager to discuss that show's merit in forums like this. I expect we will be having more of these conversations in the future, seeing as how Sega is increasing their presence in the anime industry. Not to the mention those Hollywood movies based on Sega IPs that are finally getting off the ground. Still, I’m glad your willing at least to admit Chain Chronicle has high quality animation thanks to its high budget.
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/17/16

StriderShinryu wrote:

Well, that was just about the most generic fantasy anime I've ever seen.

Someday there will be a fantasy JRPG anime that is not summed up by this sentence.

Still waiting, but someday.
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its high budget.
Do you have a link that shows what the budget actually is? I'm curious to know what the budget is, especially compared to other shows.

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Do you have a link that shows what the budget actually is? I'm curious to know what the budget is, especially compared to other shows.

Planning to play semantics then? You know full well that the specific budgets for an anime are rarely published. Nevertheless, it's already apparent that Chain Chronicle has far higher quality animation then all of the garbage that dares to call itself anime in recent years. Which is fitting since Chain Chronicle is one of the most popular mobile games in Japan, the higher budget is warranted to support the already successful franchise.
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Kintor wrote:


CKD-Anime wrote:

Do you have a link that shows what the budget actually is? I'm curious to know what the budget is, especially compared to other shows.

Planning to play semantics then? You know full well that blah blah blah...


That was rather uncalled for, Kintor. The man only asked for numbers. No need to accuse him of scheming against you or knowing things he may not actually know.

As for this anime, I have been poking my head in here to see if it's worth my time, but I guess it's probably not. Thanks for the heads-up, guys!
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