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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 2/17/17

staphen wrote:

That was rather uncalled for, Kintor. The man only asked for numbers. No need to accuse him of scheming against you or knowing things he may not actually know.

On the contrary, I might you question whether you've decided to play semantics as well. It's common knowledge that the budgets for an anime production are rarely published. To ask for such a thing now is simply dishonest, as the person who asks that question already knows full well that the information in question isn't available. Of course, if you sincerely want to talk about the high quality of Chain Chronicle's animation then I'd be more than happy to do so.
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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 12/20/16
Started neat, devolved into crap. Nothing to see here.
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Started neat, devolved into crap. Nothing to see here.

You can't just make a negative comment like that and leave the thread. If you truly have anything of worth to say then take the time and explain why you hold this view. As it stands Chain Chronicle is a great anime, with its high quality animation and key attention to the source material, namely the original and ever popular mobile game.
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So I just watched the first movie last night, and overall it's feels generic and designed mostly for for marketing purposes. But despite all of the cliches, it's decent enough to hold my interest and I'm hoping to get a different experience out of the TV series.

That is quite an interesting setup where a volunteer army goes battle the Black King, but the MC totally underestimates his strength and the operation blows up in his face. So Yuri is left picking up the pieces and trying to figure out what the key is to overthrowing the Black King all while protecting the princess. But just as they gain an ally in Aram, they lose one to the dark side as Burckhardt's head isn't on straight and the Black King's minion took advantage to possess his mind. So it ends with them searching for the pixie that was believed to be dead when Melchior confirmed that she's alive somewhere and they go to some maze to search for answers about her whereabouts.

And so while this is far from being great, at the very least it's holding my interest as there are some great qualities to this show. I enjoyed bits and pieces of this show, though some parts of it annoy me such as the interactions between Aram and Burckhardt and that guy making such a big fuss about not sharing his apples with some poor old lady. But in the grand scheme of things, it has the intrigue for me to not write it off completely.
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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 2/17/17

Kintor wrote:
the higher budget
So do you know the actual budget or not? You keep saying it has a higher budget so you must have insider knowledge.
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The show, at least the first episode was a waste of time.

Sure it's pretty...

But why do I care about any of the characters when I don't even know most of their names? I don't know how any of them are related. We dont know the point of the struggle, the importance of the "alliance" or anything about everyone involved. Essentially the first episode is a failure from a writing standpoint to convey anything about who, what, where, when, why, how.

I dont even think I'll watch the second episode, ill leave the anime to the fanboys of the game series which I've never played. I was excited for this anime but now wont even bother if the entire thing is so poorly written and arranged.
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So generic its like we need a narrator to fill in the viewers of all the characters. The whole lightness and darkness thing dates way back to JRR Tolkien books. This feels real similar to Tales of Zestiria the X oh btw game as well.
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I sat through the first 20 minute segment, doesn't seem worth continuing through the rest. The show is aggressively generic. Pulling every trope in the genre possible, having a cameo of just about every character archetype possible minus a ninja and pirate, and does almost nothing noteworthy with any of it.

There's plenty of characters to dump exposition on why the hero has the charisma to bring a bunch of disparate factions together. But what's actually done is to show how he lacks basic understanding of tactics, brings the two keys the big bad wants right in front of said big bad with zero cover other than himself, lacks the skill to be in that position to begin with, lacks the cohesion to hold the army together after a single loss that maybe did something that's not explained to the audience, and proceeds to sulk and show zero leadership ability. And that's all before the younger, spunkier version of himself shows up.

Lots of pretty character designs, and very shallow characterization. The premise of picking up the pieces after a loss seem interesting, but the execution works against building any sort of investment in any of the characters. After this flub of an opening hook, I don't feel like investing another 60 minutes to finish this.
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Well, that was just about the most generic fantasy anime I've ever seen.

I mean, it wasn't bad by any means but it just screamed "you've seen this about a million times before" with nearly every frame. The music felt just as cliche as the rest of the show to the point where it was actually kind of funny. The art was pretty inconsistent with some parts looking quite nice (character designs in general, Aram in combat) but some just looking meh.

Oh, and I know your anime is based on a game but could you please not include (and explain) blatantly obvious game mechanics as if you're part of a game tutorial? You're not, you're an anime. k? thx

I'll probably watch more of it as it wasn't really offensive but watching it just made me want to watch something more original and/or better.


I thought it looked pretty good, and I actually liked the first "episode" quite a bit. I liked that it was pretty grim, and started with a failure, and even though it didn't do anything extraordinary in terms of conveying character or characters' feelings, it did it well enough to keep me watching.

The thing that felt like the greatest weakness was how they clobbered us with the game mechanics and the game-like way they introduced some characters by showing us the text with their name and titles. As you say, we know it's based on a game, but it's an anime not a game, and that sort of thing in an anime takes one out of the experience rather than immersing one it.

I'll probably watch the rest.


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You're really looking at Chain Chronicle from the wrong perspective. Now normally an anime is created alongside a new game and/or merchandise line to help sell that product. However, the situation is different here; Chain Chronicle is already a successful game, it's one of the most popular mobile games in Japan. Other mobile RPGs come and go but Chain Chronicle continues to retain its popularity even years after release. This fact has informed the anime as well, it's a celebration of Chain Chronicle for the millions of fans that the game has already gained. What you see here is a great anime that is already giving fans exactly what they want to see.


Not this again. Okay, so you enjoyed it immensely and felt it was perfect for your enjoyment and for that of the audience of folks who are already fans of the game. I'm not denying that you and that group of people would find this enjoyable. But can you really not imagine that some game fans and some fans of this particular game might not also enjoy seeing a bit more depth in an anime presentation of the story? Do you really feel that they will enjoy an anime only if you heavy-handedly introduce game mechanics into it? I don't game, but I do know gamers. None of them seem that shallow to me. They love their games for sure, but they also have an appreciation for the kind of storytelling that can happen outside of a game format, and I think they would hope for an anime presentation of a game they loved to offer them something a little different from what they are comfortable with in the game.
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Not this again. Okay, so you enjoyed it immensely and felt it was perfect for your enjoyment and for that of the audience of folks who are already fans of the game. I'm not denying that you and that group of people would find this enjoyable. But can you really not imagine that some game fans and some fans of this particular game might not also enjoy seeing a bit more depth in an anime presentation of the story? Do you really feel that they will enjoy an anime only if you heavy-handedly introduce game mechanics into it? I don't game, but I do know gamers. None of them seem that shallow to me. They love their games for sure, but they also have an appreciation for the kind of storytelling that can happen outside of a game format, and I think they would hope for an anime presentation of a game they loved to offer them something a little different from what they are comfortable with in the game.

My point is that StriderShinryu's negative criticism is entirely unwarranted because he doesn't understand the context behind why Chain Chronicle was made. His kind of argument is little better than a strawman fallacy, setting the show up against a false comparison and condemning it at every turn for neglecting to meet such ridiculous expectations. Not to mention the same baseless criticisms that StriderShinryu levelled against Chain Chronicle’s animation, which is quite obviously false in the face of such high quality production values. In the end Chain Chronicle is an anime created for the fans, the millions who already know and understand the world behind a hugely successful game, it doesn’t have justify its own existence and never will.
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Posted 12/18/16
This show is great. Reminds me of Phantasy Star Online 2 The Animation, another great show this year.
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This show is great. Reminds me of Phantasy Star Online 2 The Animation, another great show this year.


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ShawnHacaga wrote:

This show is great. Reminds me of Phantasy Star Online 2 The Animation, another great show this year.


You have ruined your day, and everyone's day.


The real question, though, is which is better.

Actually, no, the real question is what us anime fans have done to deserve two such absolutely amazing shows in such a relatively short amount of time. Then the obvious follow up is what we should sacrifice to which arcane deity to thank for the pleasure.

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StriderShinryu wrote:

The real question, though, is which is better.

Actually, no, the real question is what us anime fans have done to deserve two such absolutely amazing shows in such a relatively short amount of time. Then the obvious follow up is what we should sacrifice to which arcane deity to thank for the pleasure.

You can do better than this weak sarcasm. Not that I'd expect you to show Chain Chronicle any respect, given the negative and baseless comments you've been making so far in this thread. Nevertheless, you'd still do well to try and understand why Chain Chronicle is a success and exactly what that success has led to the creation of this high quality anime.
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game anime themes even do release dumb 4 episode then sell more games to make $$$ to make more episodes dumb either simulcast or get out of anime business
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