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Because some people belong in a certain culture happens to like something.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmericansHateTingle
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You'll probably get a lot of different answers and it will overall depends on what particular character you're you're talking about. Some anti-heroes/villains are quite charming, some have very well grounded and relatable motivations, but if I were to put it simply I think the main reason lies in the fact they generally "don't give a f*ck". Anti-heroes and villains are able act outside norms of society without fear of repercussions and I think we all sort of yearn for that ability to act without discretion.

Heroes and villains/antiheroes are pretty much just two sides of the same coin. Where villains/anti-heroes think about achieving their goal by any means neccessary, the hero thinks I must achieve my goal without harming the innocent.
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We like anti-heroes because they are often more complex and interesting than the regular hero. I dunno about villains though.
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nanikore2 wrote:

Because some people belong in a certain culture happens to like something.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmericansHateTingle


Americans might just be hard to please/want things to go their way.
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Because villains/ anti heros understand their goals.

Heros only begin to realize them
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Anti-heroes and anti-villains are simply more real than their straight parallels. They highlight the fact that everyone has faults--and not that they just have some weakness hiding away (like Superman) but that they can legitimately be assholes (like Batman) or for all their malignant actions that they have noble intentions (Lelouch) and vice-versa that behind the noble façade is a self-serving goal that mostly involves destruction (Light Yagami--early in the series anyhow.)
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PandAndy wrote:

Anti-heroes and anti-villains are simply more real than their straight parallels. They highlight the fact that everyone has faults--and not that they just have some weakness hiding away (like Superman) but that they can legitimately be assholes (like Batman) or for all their malignant actions that they have noble intentions (Lelouch) and vice-versa that behind the noble façade is a self-serving goal that mostly involves destruction (Light Yagami--early in the series anyhow.)


Heroes have everything already. Villains want something, they just take the wrong way of going about getting them.
That's why villains seem more focused and goal-oriented, and actually DO more things in the story.
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Personally, I think part of it is that we can see ourselves in certain villains. We wish we could act on certain impulses like they do without worrying about the consequences.

Granted, I can only like villains and anti-heroes with whom I can empathize. If they're evil for the sake of being evil or edgy, then it just becomes lame. Backstory and character motivations are big factors in making a likable villain. Relatability is just as important in that sense.
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They're far more real and like most people. To see the constant goody two shoes act all the time gets really old fast. Especially since they put a kid filter on most superheroes, making them that much more lame. Very rarely do we see heroes as how they were supposed to act.

That, and a anti-hero actually takes revenge. I think a lot of people consider that a greater justice than the constant "throw them in prison and have them break out in a week to kill even more people" thing.
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I'd say that its because in most cases the villain is often the driving force of the story, initiating the conflict and being the obstacle that the protagonist must surpass. Villains are extremely memorable because of how intertwined they are to the events in the story, so we naturally want a villain that we find interesting, threatening, and maybe even compelling (or just plain fun to watch) and we appreciate it all the more when we get them. A lame villain means a lame conflict. A strong villain means a strong conflict, and therefore an overall more compelling story.

As for anti-heroes I think it kind of varies for everyone as to why they might like them. Maybe they like the implications of gray morality or maybe they just like the kind of protagonist who skirts the line.
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Ejanss wrote:


PandAndy wrote:

Anti-heroes and anti-villains are simply more real than their straight parallels. They highlight the fact that everyone has faults--and not that they just have some weakness hiding away (like Superman) but that they can legitimately be assholes (like Batman) or for all their malignant actions that they have noble intentions (Lelouch) and vice-versa that behind the noble façade is a self-serving goal that mostly involves destruction (Light Yagami--early in the series anyhow.)


Heroes have everything already. Villains want something, they just take the wrong way of going about getting them.
That's why villains seem more focused and goal-oriented, and actually DO more things in the story.


This is true, but it is kind of a matter of evil for the sake of evil--take for instance the classic villain's power quest for world domination--versus evil for the sake of perceived good. The difference is slight, but it is a difference, nonetheless. The villain's goal is really self-serving, while the anti-villain has a skewed perception of morality. Though their end goal might be the same, their reason is entirely different.
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I think it's because heroes are usually pretty clear cut. At the end of the story you know he/she is going to win.

Anti-heroes and villains aren't necessarily clear cut. You don't always know what their agenda is. You don't always know what they're going to do to achieve their goals. They don't all follow the same basic formula like heroes do.


"Me I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly it's the honest ones you have to watch out for, you never can predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid."

He's kind of saying the opposite of what you said, but you reminded me of it.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

What is it about the anti-hero or villain that pulls us to them? Are heroes unlikable? What do you think?



Well, sometimes heros are far too forgiving which makes them impossible to emphasize with.
Take for example your cookie cutter hero vs someone like the punisher. Cookie cutter hero would forgive a villain for murdering his or her entire family because it is following the so called hero's code, but an anti hero like the punisher would seek revenge while generally having an outlook on life that what they are doing is for the betterment of the world.

There are two major archetypes of villains. The first type, the villains who do evil for the sake of doing evil (boring/unrealistic type imo) that are also hard to emphasis with just like your average cookie cutter hero. The second are those who while are villains have a goal in mind that they believe is for the betterment of the world, but their methods of achieving them might be very questionable (i.e. a ra's al ghul character who wants to save the planet, but sees the logical conclusion to carry this out by wiping out most of humanity).

Often the Anti-Hero/2nd type of villain overlap and both I find to be far more interesting, the reason being the world is not divided nicely into good and evil, but rather into competing goals consisting of shades of gray.



PandAndy wrote:

Anti-heroes and anti-villains are simply more real than their straight parallels. They highlight the fact that everyone has faults--and not that they just have some weakness hiding away (like Superman) but that they can legitimately be assholes (like Batman) or for all their malignant actions that they have noble intentions (Lelouch) and vice-versa that behind the noble façade is a self-serving goal that mostly involves destruction (Light Yagami--early in the series anyhow.)


basically all of this. I am so glad that there are more movies and tv shows willing to run with these types of characters for the above reasons.
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Because over the eons of Humanities progressions, the social construct that We saw the entirety; well, MOST of the entirety of those of Us that would be in confrontation...One side a great deal of the time...continuing this Present Day even, would make Themselves out to seem as if THEY were the One among Our continued developing Community that is the One who is participating in the aggression as the One fighting for a "Heroic" or "Noble" purpose...And the twist is, that many People who have tried that; aforementioned, continuing TODAY with Our Countries ridiculous Politicians, Monarchs, Heads of State straight up bald-faced lying to the Populace, as well as Themselves OVER and OVER, again...stating to be the One standing up for that which - Throughout Millennia of Societal norms being molded left and right amidst One person, unto the next continuously...Until ever the more solid into the whole of Humanity's collective consciousness it sank and simply became precedent as whats "Normal" to go about doing, thinking, feeling, in this "Life" of which We "Live". Humanity has a CRITICAL FLAW...The Majority do not choose to think for THEMSELVES. Make Your OWN rationalities as well as rationale. So, who knows...The few "Free-Thinkers" out there among Our Species may perhaps be able to determine that just because One presents Him or Herself as something, that INDEED, that is their TRUE resolve. The manipulative Ones who are the Ones going about feigning "Heroics" or "Chivalry"...They ALL have to have a "Fall-Guy"...Someone to take the blame for their Outright blasphemous "Existence" in RATIONALITY'S way of going about looking at it. They have to make this....the Populace looks at them as a Villain...or Conqueror...But in these certain "faux" happenstances of a "False-Savior" of the People making confrontation with Another who if anything...the Two's roles SHOULD...be completely reversed. Not only that...Recognized that this Person should have never had the ability to rise to the position not at all usurped, nor discovered for ABSOLUTE that He/She is a fraud, doing this all for whatever Narcissistic nihilism...caring not whatsoever but for the subjection of Others eventually to being put in a Rank...."LOWER"...He/She Alone, has the one and only true plan for the eventual absolute absolving of the simple Rights that each Male and Female alike has had since however it was We ended up...well, wherever it IS We ARE. So perhaps these ACTUAL few Who dared to stand against the "almighty" vast majority Who were taken in...as well as those Who puff up the "Snake-oil salesman's" reign and influence among and amidst throughout the Populace's "Community", they TOO know of the true Intentions this Person holds, yet would still go out and speak against Someone that deep within, this "Fraud" as well as those lackeys He/She uses to at least use their "Majority" among those Who the dastardly antics this Person possesses....at least in SOME measure enough to be able to know Who to spread their Tales onto; their Lies about this other Specific "Individual"...The other, too is but Human...However, the difference lies in the Wish of the certain bit of the Species Who indeed all along wanted to have Themselves be looked at as a "Savior"...a "God-King" amongst the rest of Humanity...This type of Human...of whom are of course, Alive and Well Today...Interested in nothing but Subjugation of the "Unworthy"...that being the very amount of exorbitance that the evil Nihilistic as well as; unto She, or Himself alone a sinister Narcissism. A desire for Destruction...Destruction of the remainder of the Human race of which They will NOT identify. Destruction and Subjugation. Definitely not Salvation. Their Own monopoly, perhaps. Perhaps they have a Biochemical imbalance...Those Who have seen all of which this Person has wrought, blaming the suffering Themselves and their lackeys are currently causing on an Innocent Human Being.

Yes....Things are not ALWAYS what they seem. Again, the vast Human majority is QUICK to be taken advantage of and Manipulated. Perhaps the entire concept of "the Villain"...Maybe, just maybe...there was NEVER even a, as decided by way of scoping, and scouring Out JUST which manner of metaphorical "Light" versus "Darkness" One's true Self TRULY is...That truly WAS all along...Perhaps there NEVER WAS an initial Villain....Well...There WAS...But not the One whom, in many cases would end up going down in History in remembrance as a disgrace...when, in Reality the majority was overtaken with the 'Snake in the Grass' and joined together to crush the "so-called" Villain, when in the End...He was finished by the very same Group of those that He...At the very least, did not want, or believe in ANY Other Person having the ability as to where they; in cases like these, with Ability to see this "Oppressor" for what He is, not the facade Everyone else is taken in by...NOT a Human interested in Peace whatsoever. The "Majority's Villain" was nothing more than more smoke and mirrors by a crafty Personality with a load of swelling influence intently put Out there by this Person in the instances in which the fraud would try and show faux Heroism, or Objectivism to win over the Populace. A megalomaniacal subjugate with a "Silver-tongue" would curse "the Villain"...And, with the approval of the People, had the VILLAIN'S "Villain" slain...Thus granting Themselves with the state of now attaining..."Kingship". This Person had over 90% of the majority on His side; completely swayed to Hate a Man who would have attempted to stave off this wretch from EVER choosing to put THEIR Life, from here on Out...and so it HAS been. Take the Rothschild Family for instance. I won't elaborate, because I don't want to sway Anyone's opinion, but if You're unaware of Families like Themselves; Heh...That's where I got the motivation to write about an "Evil" which ignores Their Own blasphemy, yet has gall left to go about still labeling OTHER'S as the "subversive" One within Our patchwork quilt of Human History.

In finishing, Yes the majority crushed the only Hope the Populace had for continuing to be allowed certain Rights of which should not be slurred...No Man should have Control in any form nor fashion among Another, unless this Individual is in some sort of way going about taking advantage of Others Rights as well. So 10% remained. And throughout Our History, We continue to...Some in memoriam; some in Honor, some in Thanks...Have kept that "ORIGINAL TRUTH" about what divided and made Someone coordinate and complete a true hostile takeover; the subjugation of their Own species. Evil coming at You with that You want to hear, as it usually is in this "Existence" of Ours. Heh, "the Villain"...by those who have the compatible insight at least, will continue to be thought of as the TRUE "Savior" if there ever existed One. For being One who would fight against a threat towards His Neighbors and Kinsmen have been swayed aside by...To keep the true Rights and Laws that He/She thought should not ever be exerted in force against Your Own kind. Majorities History gave up the Freedoms and Rights that Human Beings should each have...and be in control of at ALL TIMES...There exists NO Man/Woman who will ever be Born into this Life any instance different than the rest of the Human clan gets brought into this "Reality". So why should ANYONE be able to control and wreck not only His fellow Man, but further as things have progressed THESE Days, even this "Planet", this "Garden" that We have on which if Humanity chooses to continue on Existing...IT TOO now is facing grave Dangers. And perhaps it is unfair of Me to have even mentioned the Rothschild name. But from a Family that literally cemented in stone loss fellow Man, I at least will ALWAYS care for My Fellow Man's Rights to not be lied to; pretty much an "Intellectual Checkmate" sort of coup which was pulled over Humanities eyes and basically made a certain few, for as long as the LIE continues, those who will continue enjoying an UTTER advantage over all the rest of We Commoners. WE KNEW "the Villain" was the HERO all along! Sadly, We had not enough majority to stomp Out this takeover of the Human Race by those Who value Money over Lives. But for as long as We continue to remember the "TRUTH", People like You and I shall continue cheering on the 'supposed Villain' just as the TRUE HERO We know that this Individual was.

Hahaha, hope You enjoyed My tale that is as random as could be! ....Or IS IT?!
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