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Is American democracy in danger?
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/18/16

geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Between Trump's disregard for democratic norms and the catastrophe in North Carolina, I'm starting to get a little worried.


Don't worry about it.

Here is a funny video about this subject, she puts it much better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7oaxnOw6QY
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I doubt Trump is going to make democracy look good, but he's not in a position to derail the democratic system on his own. Until he starts breaking laws, jailing critics, or otherwise usurping power away from the other branches of government the damage he could do to the democracy is largely superficial. What he could do to the economy and the national budget are, however, up in the air.
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“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” - Winston Churchill

Working just as intended.
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/18/16

jap2015 wrote:

Maybe consider following your own beliefs rather than letting any political party tell you what to think, or how to feel, or what you can say or not say, and claim your right and everybody else is wrong or immoral


Good advice, but not sure how it relates to the topic.
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/18/16

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octorockandroll wrote:

I mean if the FBI and CIA are right about Russian hacking and shit, then sure, but I dont see how your examples add up to the death of democracy in really any capacity.


Our republic's survival depends on the acceptance of the norms of democratic behavior. Trump has consistently displayed anti-democratic behavior before and since the election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-threat-to-democracy.html?_r=2

And the NC GOP even more so.

http://time.com/4605453/north-carolina-pat-mccrory-governor-legislature/

If they get their way, you can bet this will start happening in other states.


Wow. People are just... incredibly myopic. And it's the media's fault.

First of all, democracy is bad - probably worse than monarchy. We do value the input of the people in American government, but the farther you keep the populace from actually wielding the power the better. So if Trump is anti-democratic, that isn't automatically a bad thing. I imagine you mean that he doesn't go along with your sensibilities. He doesn't go along with mine, either, but everyone constantly hears how bad Trump is. We didn't constantly hear from the major news outlets about how the left is also authoritarian and against free speech.

I don't know what's going on in North Carolina, but in my state we just recently voted on a proposition explicitly designed to curtail the powers of the current Republican governor. And anything the NC legislature does it does through the will of the people who elected them.
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So democratic in the streets, autocratic in the sheets?
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So democratic in the streets, autocratic in the sheets?


TBH I always thought an incorruptible benevolent dictator to be best for humanity.

Sadly, that's impossible, so will of the people it is.
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we never were a democracy. Representative republic is what you are looking for. For the president to become a tyrant congress would have to go along with it. I'm not saying Obama wasnt a tyrant but congress sure as hell didnt try to stop him on much because they didnt want to be called racists. If Hillary would have become president any time congress would have tried to stop her the media would have accused congress of being sexist. The whole war on women thing that never existed.
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/18/16

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I mean if the FBI and CIA are right about Russian hacking and shit, then sure, but I dont see how your examples add up to the death of democracy in really any capacity.


Our republic's survival depends on the acceptance of the norms of democratic behavior. Trump has consistently displayed anti-democratic behavior before and since the election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-threat-to-democracy.html?_r=2

And the NC GOP even more so.

http://time.com/4605453/north-carolina-pat-mccrory-governor-legislature/

If they get their way, you can bet this will start happening in other states.


In regards to Trump, I wouldn't listen to anything the NY Times has to say. They've pretty much fallen to tabloid status in regards to anything involving him. They've already shown that they are willing to break the law to attack Trump by releasing an illegally obtained part of his tax return (I'm not judging the ethics of this, but the legality), and if they are willing to go that far perhaps when they say an anonymous source from the CIA is saying Russia interfered with our election (despite the FBI, NSA, DOJ, and Wikileaks themselves saying otherwise), perhaps well...I wouldn't put it past them.

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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 12/18/16
Democrats are cry babies is the problem. They don't get their way and they throw a fit. Or in what seems like most cases. Cause domestic violence and incite more violence.
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everything is in danger. we have a collection of blithering idiots and the future of this pool of sludge ain't looking brighter as time passes.

forgo the retarded idea of 'draining the swamp' and replace it with the sentiment of 'toxify the swamp with wasteful excess and a series of idiots who'll run government like it's fucking commerce or drive it into the ground directly or indirectly'.
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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 12/18/16

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


jap2015 wrote:

Maybe consider following your own beliefs rather than letting any political party tell you what to think, or how to feel, or what you can say or not say, and claim your right and everybody else is wrong or immoral


Good advice, but not sure how it relates to the topic.


I'll explain:
You said you were worried. If you put faith in what is being told by the media and from Washington, I guess I would be worried too, But it is my belief (and your free to feel differently) that they are less than creditable at this moment in time. Think about it, A "citizen" just won the election running against the democrats (who spent billions), the President (who denounced him), the media (who colluded with the democrats), bias poles, half the republicans, and beat them all at their on game. If you have leadership skills to pull this off, that makes you qualified to sit in the oval office. You have many professionals embarrassed by the fact they were beaten after guaranteeing a huge win and it appears they have this need to save face. Once the smoke clears, you'll see democracy is alive and well. And what happened in N.C. is nothing new in politics.
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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 12/18/16
I thought democracy died because of both parties. Still, the amount of Republicans crying over Trump initially may seem relatively promising, and he ran for their party. Though in any case, I don't have in any hopes. Status Quo is hard to dent, much less break.
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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 12/18/16

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Democracy died when Obama took office. Hopefully Trump can revive it with CPR.




And this, my friends, is exactly why Democracy is threatened. Active engagement isn't something many people believe in anymore. They want saviors to come and pick up the mess. Democracy was never intended to be a passive system intrinsic on one man to fix everything. We aren't supposed to have monarchs. We need leaders who get people to act.
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Posted 12/18/16 , edited 12/18/16
As long as we keep blaming one party while lauding the other as the saviors, nothing will change. Republicans like Bush supported polices like NAFTA and TPP, they support costly Drug Wars to no avail no different than the Democrats. Every time I or other say something like "Trump said this", and someone else response is "Well Obama said..." fuck it, nothing is going to change. Because people refuse to change. Good grief. Stop dividing us, both of you.
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