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Post Reply Russia now a partisan issue in US politics?
Posted 12/18/16
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Posted 12/18/16
This is why FiveThirtyEight fails: data is not always relevant. Sure, maybe the public wasn't all that divided on Russia for a long time, but the public doesn't implement government policy. The Reagan doctrine wasn't exactly unanimously implemented, and amusingly Ted Kennedy tried to get the Soviet Union to intervene in the 1984 presidential election. (Though it seems Russia did a much better job for Trump than they did for Mondale. Poor Mondale and his 13 electoral votes.)
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Posted 12/18/16

auroraloose wrote:
This is why FiveThirtyEight fails: data is not always relevant. Sure, maybe the public wasn't all that divided on Russia for a long time, but the public doesn't implement government policy.


Er...the article is demonstrating that public opinion on a country follows the lead of government policy, not visa versa. Also I would say a historically unprecedented and completely partisan shift in opinion like this is pretty relevant data.
Posted 12/19/16

runec wrote:


auroraloose wrote:
This is why FiveThirtyEight fails: data is not always relevant. Sure, maybe the public wasn't all that divided on Russia for a long time, but the public doesn't implement government policy.


Er...the article is demonstrating that public opinion on a country follows the lead of government policy, not visa versa. .


wow, did you really type that? *chuckles*
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Posted 12/19/16

choppin_broccoli wrote:
wow, did you really type that? *chuckles*


....yes, cus its literally the basis of the whole article: Public opinion on countries fluctuating following government behaviour towards the countries in question. I don't see how or why that's so shocking. You do remember the Bush years do you not?
Posted 12/19/16
yeah, as usual my point is at some sort of cruising altitude above your head.

is it *that* hard to understand what I type, bro? you seem to be having one hell of a time with it, you just about cant ever pick out the main idea of the paragraph.
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Posted 12/19/16
yay russia
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Posted 12/19/16

choppin_broccoli wrote:

yeah, as usual my point is at some sort of cruising altitude above your head.

is it *that* hard to understand what I type, bro? you seem to be having one hell of a time with it, you just about cant ever pick out the main idea of the paragraph.


Maybe if you didn't write in sentence fragments and typos it wouldn't be so hard for him to understand?
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Posted 12/19/16 , edited 12/19/16

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Seems like they are talking about LEAGL immigrants, and not ILLEGAL immigrants in that article. I know how the left just loves to mix up those two words.
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Seems like they are talking about LEAGL immigrants, and notILLEGAL immigrants in that article. I know how the left just loves to mix up those two words.


Clearly you didn't read the whole thing.


They might start by pointing out that numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants—regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated.

Posted 12/19/16


Did i strike a nerve with you? I suppose you also want me to believe there are no drug tunnels I'm not going waste my time
on you. I'm also giving a link http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/us/u-s-mexico-drug-tunnel/
There is enough illegal activity going on here in California to call it a problem.
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Posted 12/19/16 , edited 12/19/16

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Did i strike a nerve with you?


A pointless question for two reasons. A) All I did was present you with a counter argument for a baseless image. Not an emotional stance. B ) That saying is redundant. Literally anything we do 'strikes a nerve'.



I suppose you also want me to believe there are no drug tunnels I'm not going waste my time
on you.


Do you really think the cartels are incapable of getting legal citizenship? My, how naive you are.


I'm also giving a link http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/us/u-s-mexico-drug-tunnel/
There is enough illegal activity going on here in California to call it a problem.


Oh? How about how the unnathorized immigration population has been shrinking since 2009?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

Posted 12/19/16

mxdan wrote:


choppin_broccoli wrote:

yeah, as usual my point is at some sort of cruising altitude above your head.

is it *that* hard to understand what I type, bro? you seem to be having one hell of a time with it, you just about cant ever pick out the main idea of the paragraph.


Maybe if you didn't write in sentence fragments and typos it wouldn't be so hard for him to understand?


you dont get it either, so I dont know why you're bothering.

after reading your last couple replies in this topic....cripes...facepalm
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Posted 12/19/16
The most intriguing thing of this whole deal has been the "liberal" 's i.e. "city dweller" 's total bewilderment at Trump's victory. It's so bad they're trashing around for anything to blame. The whole "it's Russia's fault" thing is classic denial behavior, until they look in the mirror and can face themselves saying "Dang, we did it" it's not going to end.

Look carefully at your last 8 years, the Obama administration has been beating the hell out of rural citizen's property rights with regulations, restricting everything from water use to outdoor lighting. Hillary screamed that she was going to continue those policies and "put miners out of business." Yet, it's "Russia's" fault.

Rural America is a lot like other parts of the world, you can only kick and beat it for so long before it strikes back, and they did.
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