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Republican hatred of Obama and why it's Dangerous.
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Posted 12/21/16 , edited 12/22/16


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Abstract:

I want to preface this thread by saying I'm going to supply this thread with economic facts that have been verified and can be seen in official sources. What I want to prove to you here is that Obama has routinely out performed other presidents in a myriad of areas. The idea is to show that Far Right hatred of Obama does not fall in line with actual data sets and from there hopefully help some understand that extremism within our political structure is now destabilizing our Democracy.


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Content:

It's no secret that America has always had it's fair share of extremism within it's borders. There is a deep history of differing opinions and thought going back to the 1700s. From the KKK to The Creativity Movement there has always been pockets of thought. What hasn't always existed, though, is the invention of easy and instant communication from these pockets to the outside world. The internet has revolutionized the way we discuss things with people and unsurprisingly these pockets of thought now have the ability to amass and gain far more then the otherwise would have previously.

When we look at something like InfoWars for example we see that this site was once considered far right of the general consensus of conservatives. It wasn't long ago that people like O'Reilly openly dismissed Alex Jones because his opinions were considered extreme. In today's world? Alex Jones and Breibart are the voice of the Trump Presidency. Often partaking in views that are so far out there that they confuse economists and scientists alike.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/5-insane-theories-conspiracy-theorist-and-trump-supporter-alex-jones

But what about Obama?

With such stark hatred of his Presidency from the current form of the right you would think that he holds equally polarizing and destabilizing ideas?

Well, unfortunately in my studies I have not only found that this isn't the case but that rather Obama has actually been one of the most positive economic and social forces we have seen in decades. And I'll prove it to you.

Burden of Proof:

Side note: Most of these impacts aren't with Obama alone. He filled his cabinet with ingenious people among those included Economic Advisor Warren Buffet.

Obama Vs. Reagan economic impact:


"President Reagan has long been considered the best modern economic President. So we compared his performance dealing with the oil-induced recession of the 1980s with that of President Obama and his performance during this 'Great Recession.'

"As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama's job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/#2e73f4f920bc

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Obama had 74 months of uninterrupted job expansion (This has never been done in presidential history):

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth

Pretty self explanatory. This is ripped straight from the government websites data sets.

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Government Spending has only risen by 3.3%; The lowest since Eisenhower:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/#fff57a157eca



"So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?

It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.


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Federal Income Taxes are on par or Lower then they have been in 40 years for 95% of Americans:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/historical-federal-income-tax-rates-family-four
http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-income-taxes-on-middle-income-families-remain-near-historic-lows?fa=view&id=3151
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-110publ185/html/PLAW-110publ185.htm

"In fact, the only people whose income taxes have gone up during Obama’s presidency are those making $400,000 per year or more. That's less than 2% of the population. Today, for the vast majority of people, [federal] tax rates are lower than or exactly where they were when Obama first took office."

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We are seeing the slowest rate of increase in healthcare costs since 1960 due to the ACA:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/healthcostreport_final_noembargo_v2.pdf



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Reached a climate agreement with leading nations:

http://www.c2es.org/international/paris-agreement



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Reached a nuclear agreement with Iran:

https://www.thebalance.com/iran-s-economy-impact-of-nuclear-deal-and-sanctions-3306349

Not much to say other then the fact that diplomacy, regardless of the enemy, is always the superior option. War should be avoided by politicians at all cost and seen as a last result. Better yet, a failure of politics.

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Clean energy Doubled (New industries started):

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/article/renewable_electricity.cfm




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And he made his changes through growing obstructionism:

I don't think this is strictly a GOP issue btw. This may be a failure of both parties to institute compromise. Obstructionism did, however, play an undeniable part during his presidency.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/opinion-blog/articles/2016-03-16/gop-obstructionism-hits-peak-absurdity-with-supreme-court-nominee-garland
http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/04/on-supreme-court-more-obstruction-by-the-party-of-no-2-letters/
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4436504-155/letter-obstructionist-congress-to-blame-not
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-perriello-obama_us_5741df1de4b0613b512a8c44
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-gop-scotus-20161019-snap-story.html
https://verdict.justia.com/2013/10/18/republican-obstructionism-criminal

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Conclusion: Obama has been opposed at every angle by sharp ends of the isle and never once praised for the accomplishments he has been a part of. Historical documents tell a different story of the narrative he is painted under by the vast majority of denouncers. His presidency wasn't perfect, but it was nowhere near treason and could hardly be blamed as even negative.

Extremism is gaining hold in politics by painting an untruthful historical lense to look at the world under. It is in essence saying that political desolation is the answer and fostering nihilists of the political system and how it is intended to be used.

The only intended consequence of such an idea is anything but a democracy. A Struggle for power that ends without balance and freedom of ideas.
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I am curious what peoples responses to this post will be. I hope they will be respectful and well thought out, given the topics nature.
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Posted 12/21/16 , edited 12/21/16

99android777 wrote:

I am curious what peoples responses to this post will be. I hope they will be respectful and well thought out, given the topics nature.


I'm hoping so too. More then likely it will be ignored. We shall see .
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"Obama has done nothing good!"

lol

but yeah!

He has done many good things yet people choose to ignore and just say bad things about him!
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official-shinsengumi wrote:

"Obama has done nothing good!"

lol

but yeah!

He has done many good things yet people choose to ignore and just say bad things about him!


Yeah I mean he's not perfect and he's even done some pretty sketchy things like the mess with Hilary.

But in a lot of ways I feel he has done his best and done about as well as he could given what he had to work with. A lot of the bullshit we're dealing with now isn't really his fault.

Granted you could argue he could have done more to fix it but people will blame him as if he caused their problems.

Personally my opinion of Obama has gone down over the years but I've never outright hated him.
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90 million people are now out of the workforce.
Obamacare has destroyed full-time jobs so people have to take 2 or 3 part-time jobs.
Obama regulations and fees on americans totaling over 800 billion dollars. http://thehill.com/regulation/290744-study-obama-issued-743b-in-regs
Obama and Bush have eliminated millions of manufacturing jobs with bad trade deals
Obama has encouraged riots, looting, and cop killing.
Obama has destroyed energy production so that we have to depend more on his Saudi pals.
Obama has gutted our Military.
Obama ended sanctions on Iran just when they were starting to destabilize the country and basically guaranteed that will develop nuclear weapons.
Obama has restarted the cold war tensions with Russia.
Obamacare has been a trillion dollar failure.
Obama has opened our borders by ordering the border patrol to stand down and release unknown foreign invaders into our country.
Obama has sided with terrorists.
Obama has aided terrorists in Libya and Syria.
Obama has armed terrorists in Libya and Syria.

That's just a few things off the top of my head.
Obama will be know throughout history The great destroyer of the USA. The only good thing about Obama was that he was too busy playing golf to drive the final nail in our coffin (Hillary was supposed to do that)

Obama is an 'Obamanation'

If Obama did such a fantastic job, Hillary would have won, as she ran on carrying on his legacy of stupidity.

This just in:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-shock-another-6-billion-in-midnight-regulations/article/2610168

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/08/09/50-things-barack-obama-has-done-wrong-n1876744

Posted 12/21/16 , edited 12/21/16
That is a long list you got there? I'm not going spend my entire day on this forum but i will touch one one key thing!
Yep obama-care and how it hurts working poor it's basicly forced ins. below i will post just a little info on tax thats correct taxs.

> For the majority of the 85% of Americans with health insurance, the percentage of income paid in taxes won’t change much,, However, some of the changes may directly or indirectly affect specific groups.

>> The majority of the 15%% of Americans without health insurance will primarily be affected by the Individual Mandate > the requirement to buy health insurance! the employer mandate (the requirement for large employers to insure full-time employees), and tax credits, which reduce premium costs for individuals, families, and small businesses. In other words, the requirement to Get Covered, the expansion of employer based coverage the fee for not having coverage, and cost assistance are the main tax related provisions that affect the average American.> so the working poor get screwed and sm. business.
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Neat
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Xxanthar wrote:

90 million people are now out of the workforce.
Obamacare has destroyed full-time jobs so people have to take 2 or 3 part-time jobs.
Obama regulations and fees on americans totaling over 800 billion dollars. http://thehill.com/regulation/290744-study-obama-issued-743b-in-regs
Obama and Bush have eliminated millions of manufacturing jobs with bad trade deals
Obama has encouraged riots, looting, and cop killing.
Obama has destroyed energy production so that we have to depend more on his Saudi pals.
Obama has gutted our Military.
Obama ended sanctions on Iran just when they were starting to destabilize the country and basically guaranteed that will develop nuclear weapons.
Obama has restarted the cold war tensions with Russia.
Obamacare has been a trillion dollar failure.
Obama has opened our borders by ordering the border patrol to stand down and release unknown foreign invaders into our country.
Obama has sided with terrorists.
Obama has aided terrorists in Libya and Syria.
Obama has armed terrorists in Libya and Syria.

That's just a few things off the top of my head.
Obama will be know throughout history The great destroyer of the USA. The only good thing about Obama was that he was too busy playing golf to drive the final nail in our coffin (Hillary was supposed to do that)

Obama is an 'Obamanation'

If Obama did such a fantastic job, Hillary would have won, as she ran on carrying on his legacy of stupidity.

This just in:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-shock-another-6-billion-in-midnight-regulations/article/2610168

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/08/09/50-things-barack-obama-has-done-wrong-n1876744




^ -- How not to instigate a good conversation.

Virtually no sources. Opinionated material.

Until you take this seriously and come at me with some effort I'm not gonna take you seriously.
Posted 12/21/16 , edited 12/22/16

mxdan wrote:

^ -- How not to instigate a good conversation.

Virtually no sources. Opinionated material.

Until you take this seriously and come at me with some effort I'm not gonna take you seriously.


One day you will realize that just about everything is opinion.
I don't need sources for most of the stuff that I listed because I've spent the last 8 years living the nightmare of Obama's presidency.
I am not here to follow your debate rules or laws.
I don't care if you take me seriously, since I do not take any of your Democrat 'talking points' seriously.

thanks for reading
Posted 12/21/16 , edited 12/22/16
"Republican hatred" of Obama is dangerous? Interesting. I've been under the impression that the right to mock and belittle government officials helps differentiate countries from authoritarian cesspools, and that borderline worship of officials is as questionable as they come. Also, that simplifying dislike of Obama into "you're Republican, therefore you hate him" only serves to exacerbate the toxic mess that is the United States' virtual two-party system. Actually, no; it is an example of the problem.




EDIT; so you attempt to appeal to the mods, in order to manipulate them into serving as your personal ban-hammer, even as you revel in absolute hypocrisy? Are you blind to your actions? This is how you abuse the authority of mods. I can't even... I'm out.
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Posted 12/21/16 , edited 12/21/16

Xxanthar wrote:


mxdan wrote:

^ -- How not to instigate a good conversation.

Virtually no sources. Opinionated material.

Until you take this seriously and come at me with some effort I'm not gonna take you seriously.


One day you will realize that just about everything is opinion.
I don't need sources for most of the stuff that I listed because I've spent the last 8 years living the nightmare of Obama's presidency.
I am not here to follow your debate rules or laws.
I don't care if you take me seriously, since I do not take any of your Democrat 'talking points' seriously.

thanks for reading


Mods. Why do we have to be subjected to people like him? He's virtually trolling without any meaningful participation. All he wants is to feel right and make others feel wrong. He isn't trying to actually come to meaningful conclusions and this post is proof of that.

Are you O.K. with a member berating your community like this?

He just said that everything in the world is opinion. This isn't true. I provided proof to you, you chose to ignore it, and then you made claims without taking the time to source or prove to me that it isn't true.

You aren't worth much. Stop escaping around like you are. The only value in this society are people who come to valued conclusions. Someone who lacks neither the desire of such an outcome or the ability is but tool of his own fears and insecurities.

You suggested you were alive in the 70's. Here you are in your 40's or 50's escaping any sort of merit with your incomplete arguments and blanket statements. Here you are on a discussion board escaping any responsibility to advocate discussion while grit your teeth and make your proclamations about the world around you. You don't want to talk at all. You want people who will weasel your opinion and make you feel better about yourself.

If you can't hang. Don't talk. It's that simple. I don't care about your opinion. I care about your valued deduction. If you can't do that there are plenty of other threads for you to do so.

End of story.
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Just like MysteryMiss said, the Affordable Care Act impacted the working poor very badly. I don't really know about any of his presidency since I didn't follow too closely, but I do know what affected me and everyone around me. Here are some of the impacts felt:
>Hours cut at corporate businesses so that they don't have to insure people
>Insurance rates skyrocketing (which impacted more than the working poor-my sister is middle class and she was paying $300 a month for insurance that covers one check up a year with a 8500 deductible)
>Many businesses are now unable to cover people and their families (due to increased premiums)

I used to work at a Burger King and many people were devastated by how many hours the business cut to avoid giving insurance. Sure, I may now be covered by government health care (and have a different job that pays a bit more, but wont give me more than 31 hours a week), but I'm one of the many few that actually benefits from it that I know of, but for how long until I technically make over what is allowed to be covered.

I have nothing against the idea of having health care, but the way this went about seemed to only hurt a good amount of people it was directed to help. As for the rest of his presidency, I didn't notice any major impact to my life personally.

Side Note: What offends me is the fact that so many people are rioting over who the new president elect is. Actual riots. How they want to abolish the system that got him in place even though it provides a fair chance for smaller states' to have their opinions heard. Though, this is has nothing to do with the presidents---its just my opinion that the way the American public is handling this is utterly and completely reprehensible.
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Obamacare is a huge flop, with out-of-control costs and deducible.

Cash for Clunkers was a shitshow.

Obama's ban on cloves was retarded and ruled illegal by the WTO of all things.

My taxes have increased.

Country is more divided than it has been in a very long time.

More riots than any other President.
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VZ68 wrote:

My taxes have increased.


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I used to think that the far left and the far right were kind of the "special" category of the political spectrum and was comforted by the fact that while loud, they didn't speak for the majority that were more interested in keeping the lights on than pushing their own agendas. Unfortunately, it seems the far left and the far right have gained traction with too many people and those of us in the middle are getting worried about the direction we as a nation are heading. This sort of ideological extremism has never worked out well for any type of society in the history of the world. The evidence of the dangers of extremism is all around us, yet we refuse to learn from it. Unless the united states of america has a moment of clarity and all our peoples and political parties take steps back towards the middle, we surely will not continue to prosper.

That's about all I have to say on it.
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