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So tell as I'm legitimately curious. What exactly is Trump and his gang going to do that every other president in US history hasn't been able to do? And do elaborate on how he's going to do it. I truly would like to know.
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So only one month more of people posting politically charged misinformation in order to beat their own propaganda machines to validate their parasitical, armchair dictatorial lifestyles.


Pretty sure that will continue.
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gornotck wrote:

So only one month more of people posting politically charged misinformation in order to beat their own propaganda machines to validate their parasitical, armchair dictatorial lifestyles.


Ah you must have missed it when the Smith-Mund Act was repelled and HR6393 passed the House and the Senate. Go read HR6393 Title V and you'll see why we have the crap in the news going on now.
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So tell as I'm legitimately curious. What exactly is Trump and his gang going to do that every other president in US history hasn't been able to do? And do elaborate on how he's going to do it. I truly would like to know.


Ultimately? Whatever he and his administration do may or may not amount to a hill of beans. He just may do it with pizzazz and a callous disregard for established traditions.


Xxanthar wrote:


gornotck wrote:

So only one month more of people posting politically charged misinformation in order to beat their own propaganda machines to validate their parasitical, armchair dictatorial lifestyles.


Pretty sure that will continue.


We can hope fruitlessly.
Posted 12/21/16

Shade_fire wrote:

So tell as I'm legitimately curious. What exactly is Trump and his gang going to do that every other president in US history hasn't been able to do? And do elaborate on how he's going to do it. I truly would like to know.


We won't know that yet. Beats voting for another 4 years of the same thing though.
The only thing I know for sure is that it's going to be entertaining.
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gornotck wrote:

So only one month more of people posting politically charged misinformation in order to beat their own propaganda machines to validate their parasitical, armchair dictatorial lifestyles.


Ah you must have missed it when the Smith-Mund Act was repelled and HR6393 passed the House and the Senate. Go read HR6393 Title V and you'll see why we have the crap in the news going on now.


According to Congress, it's only "passed" the House.



SEC. 501. Committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence over peoples and governments.


(a) Definitions.—In this section:


(1) ACTIVE MEASURES BY RUSSIA TO EXERT COVERT INFLUENCE.—The term “active measures by Russia to exert covert influence” means activities intended to influence a person or government that are carried out in coordination with, or at the behest of, political leaders or the security services of the Russian Federation and the role of the Russian Federation has been hidden or not acknowledged publicly, including the following:


(A) Establishment or funding of a front group.



(B) Covert broadcasting.



(C) Media manipulation.



(D) Disinformation and forgeries.



(E) Funding agents of influence.



(F) Incitement and offensive counterintelligence.



(G) Assassinations.



(H) Terrorist acts.





(2) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS.—The term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—


(A) the congressional intelligence committees;



(B) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate; and



(C) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.





(b) Establishment.—There is established within the executive branch an interagency committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence.

(c) Membership.—


(1) IN GENERAL.—


(A) APPOINTMENT.—Each head of an agency or department of the United States Government set out under subparagraph (B) shall appoint one member of the committee established by subsection (b) from among officials of such agency or department who occupy a position that is required to be appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.



(B) HEAD OF AN AGENCY OR DEPARTMENT.—The head of an agency or department of the United States Government set out under this subparagraph are the following:


(i) The Director of National Intelligence.



(ii) The Secretary of State.



(iii) The Secretary of Defense.



(iv) The Secretary of the Treasury.



(v) The Attorney General.



(vi) The Secretary of Energy.



(vii) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.



(viii) The head of any other agency or department of the United States Government designated by the President for purposes of this section.







(d) Meetings.—The committee shall meet on a regular basis.

(e) Duties.—The duties of the committee established by subsection (b) shall be as follows:


(1) To counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence, including by exposing falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism, and assassinations carried out by the security services or political elites of the Russian Federation or their proxies.



(2) Such other duties as the President may designate for purposes of this section.



(f) Staff.—The committee established by subsection (b) may employ such staff as the members of such committee consider appropriate.

(g) Budget request.—A request for funds required for the functioning of the committee established by subsection (b) may be included in each budget for a fiscal year submitted by the President pursuant to section 1105(a) of title 31, United States Code.

(h) Annual report.—


(1) REQUIREMENT.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and annually thereafter, and consistent with the protection of intelligence sources and methods, the committee established by subsection (b) shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report describing steps being taken by the committee to counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence.



(2) MATTERS INCLUDED.—Each report under paragraph (1) shall include a summary of the following:


(A) Active measures by Russia to exert covert influence during the previous year, including significant incidents and notable trends.



(B) Key initiatives of the committee.



(C) Implementation of the committee’s initiatives by the heads of the agencies and departments of the United States Government specified in subsection (c)(1)(B).



(D) Analysis of the success of such initiatives.



(E) Changes to such initiatives from the previous year.





(3) SEPARATE REPORTING REQUIREMENT.—The requirement to submit an annual report under paragraph (1) is in addition to any other reporting requirements with respect to Russia.





SEC. 502. Limitation on travel of accredited diplomats and consulars of the Russian Federation in the United States from their diplomatic post.


(a) Appropriate committees of Congress defined.—In this section, the term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—


(1) the congressional intelligence committees;



(2) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate; and



(3) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.



(b) Quarterly limitation on travel distance.—Accredited diplomatic personnel and consulars of the Russian Federation in the United States may not be permitted to travel a distance in excess of 25 miles from their diplomatic post in the United States in a calendar quarter unless, on or before the last day of the preceding calendar quarter, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation has certified in writing to the appropriate committees of Congress that during the preceding calendar quarter the Bureau did not identify any violations by accredited diplomatic personnel and consulars of the Russian Federation of applicable requirements to notify the United States Government in connection with travel by such diplomatic personnel and consulars of a distance in excess of 25 miles from their diplomatic post in the United States.

(c) Applicability.—Subsection (b) shall apply to each calendar quarter that begins more than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

(d) Waiver authority.—


(1) IN GENERAL.—The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation may waive any travel distance limitation imposed by subsection (b) if the Director determines that such a waiver will further the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States.



(2) NOTIFICATION.—Not later than 15 days after issuing a waiver under paragraph (1), the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a notification that such waiver has been issued and the justification for the issuance of such waiver.





SEC. 503. Study and report on enhanced intelligence and information sharing with Open Skies Treaty member states.


(a) Definitions.—In this section:


(1) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS.—The term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—


(A) congressional intelligence committees;



(B) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate; and



(C) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.





(2) COVERED STATE PARTY.—The term “covered state party” means a foreign country, that—


(A) was a state party to the Open Skies Treaty on February 22, 2016; and



(B) is not the Russian Federation or the Republic of Belarus.





(3) OPEN SKIES TREATY.—The term “Open Skies Treaty” means the Treaty on Open Skies, done at Helsinki March 24, 1992, and entered into force January 1, 2002.



(b) Feasibility study.—


(1) REQUIREMENT FOR STUDY.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of National Intelligence shall conduct and submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a study to determine the feasibility of creating an intelligence sharing arrangement and database to provide covered state parties with imagery that is comparable, delivered more frequently, and in equal or higher resolution than imagery available through the database established under the Open Skies Treaty.



(2) ELEMENTS.—The study required by paragraph (1) shall include an evaluation of the following:


(A) The methods by which the United States could collect and provide imagery, including commercial satellite imagery, national technical means, and through other intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance platforms, under an information sharing arrangement and database referred to in paragraph (1).



(B) The ability of other covered state parties to contribute imagery to the arrangement and database.



(C) Any impediments to the United States and other covered states parties providing such imagery, including any statutory barriers, insufficiencies in the ability to collect the imagery or funding, under such an arrangement.



(D) Whether imagery of Moscow, Chechnya, the international border between Russia and Georgia, Kaliningrad, or the Republic of Belarus could be provided under such an arrangement.



(E) The annual and projected costs associated with the establishment of such an arrangement and database, as compared with costs to the United States and other covered state parties of being parties to the Open Skies Treaty, including Open Skies Treaty plane maintenance, aircraft fuel, crew expenses, mitigation measures necessary associated with Russian Federation overflights over the United States or covered state parties, and new sensor development and acquisition.





(3) SUPPORT FROM OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES.—Each head of a Federal agency shall provide such support to the Director as may be necessary for the Director to conduct the study required by paragraph (1).



(c) Report.—


(1) REQUIREMENT FOR REPORT.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of National Intelligence shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress the report described in this subsection.



(2) CONTENT OF REPORT.—The report required by paragraph (1) shall include the following:


(A) An intelligence assessment on Russian Federation warfighting doctrine and the extent to which Russian Federation flights under the Open Skies Treaty contribute to such doctrine.



(B) A counterintelligence analysis as to whether the Russian Federation has, could have, or intends to have the capability to exceed the imagery limits set forth in the Open Skies Treaty.



(C) A list of intelligence exchanges with covered state parties that have been updated on the information described in subparagraphs (A) and (B) and the date and form such information was provided.





(d) Form of submission.—The study required by subsection (b) and the report required by subsection (c) shall be submitted in an unclassified form but may include a classified annex.
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And in regards to the Nuclear Weapons being improved

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0


BTW the Burden of proof lies within the accuser. You accused me of being wrong. Thus you should be the one to provide the proof that I am wrong. However as you are a most likely unable to defend your own argument I've helped you out. You're welcome.

The stockpile is smaller compared to a decade ago. The nuclear weapons that we are keeping are also being made smaller and more tactically focused on average (i.e. designed for bunker busting underground nuclear facilities inside N. Korea as opposed to leveling an entire city), which has caused some concern that they'll be more tempting to actually use than the cold war era city-destroyers.

Our nuclear weapons are being modernized as the link you provided mentions, yes. They're also being shrunk, both in size and in quantity. That is not exactly a "dramatic increase" in nuclear power. It's just not the elimination of all nuclear weapons that peace advocates would like.

And lastly, the burden of proof lies with the person making a claim - that being you initially. In this case. You made a claim (that the U.S. nuclear arsenal's power has drastically increased under the Obama administration) with no proof. Asking you to provide evidence to support your claim is not akin to making a claim myself.

In this reply I did make a claim (that being that you're wrong) and provided evidence to back up my claim. This evidence showing that both the number of nuclear weapons in our stockpile has decreased, and the payload of those weapons is becoming smaller on average in scale compared with the nuclear weapons of yesteryear.

Do you understand how burden of proof works now?
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draugauth wrote:

And in regards to the Nuclear Weapons being improved

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0


BTW the Burden of proof lies within the accuser. You accused me of being wrong. Thus you should be the one to provide the proof that I am wrong. However as you are a most likely unable to defend your own argument I've helped you out. You're welcome.

The stockpile is smaller compared to a decade ago. The nuclear weapons that we are keeping are also being made smaller and more tactically focused on average (i.e. designed for bunker busting underground nuclear facilities inside N. Korea as opposed to leveling an entire city), which has caused some concern that they'll be more tempting to actually use than the cold war era city-destroyers.

Our nuclear weapons are being modernized as the link you provided mentions, yes. They're also being shrunk, both in size and in quantity. That is not exactly a "dramatic increase" in nuclear power. It's just not the elimination of all nuclear weapons that peace advocates would like.

And lastly, the burden of proof lies with the person making a claim - that being you initially. In this case. You made a claim (that the U.S. nuclear arsenal's power has drastically increased under the Obama administration) with no proof. Asking you to provide evidence to support your claim is not akin to making a claim myself.

In this reply I did make a claim (that being that you're wrong) and provided evidence to back up my claim. This evidence showing that both the number of nuclear weapons in our stockpile has decreased, and the payload of those weapons is becoming smaller on average in scale compared with the nuclear weapons of yesteryear.

Do you understand how burden of proof works now?


When you make a weapon more effective it makes it more powerful. Old nuclear weapons had poor accuracy which is why a nuclear hardened facility even states it can survive a NEAR miss. Once you remove variables you greatly increase the effectiveness.

Think of it like this. If you shoot a round that has a variance of .5 meters at 100 meters there's a good chance it will miss a kill shot or even the target. However if you increase said rounds accuracy even while reducing it's mass to .1 meters at 100 meters you have made a more powerful weapon. Power does not always mean the size of the hole or explosion.

So your claims are based on partial fact instead of the whole fact. I hope that little example helps you understand. After all the M16 is considered a far more powerful weapon than the AK47 even though it fires a smaller round. And both weapons are drastically more powerful than say a Glock 9mm even though both weapons fire rounds that are far smaller in diameter than said Glock. (The M16/M4/AR15 fires a 5.56mm round the AK47 fires a 7.62mm round both of which are smaller than the glock's 9mm)
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So it's more of a the government has caused us to suffer over the years with nonsensical garbage. Now it's our turn to watch them squirm so we put a highly unqualified and quick tempered nutter that they can't rope in if shit hits the fan? See I'm an anarchist, and while I'm not going to lie some aspects of that do sound quite entertaining to me, but umm it doesn't seem like that's going to fix or lessen any of the current issues we have with the country or the government. All it seems to me it will serve to do is cause those of us at the bottom of the barrel to have to suffer more. Those at their level might suffer some, but I doubt much of an impact will be made from it. In 4 years time trump will continue to disappoint his supporters just as he's already started doing and some other loon will come in because the people will listen to their false promises and vote them in. They might not have to wait that long. Some of the junk he's doing now if he does after being sworn in is legitimate impeaching material. Should that happen we'll be stuck with pence. Who aside from some extremely far right views is a cookie cutter establishment politician.
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Posted 12/21/16

gornotck wrote:


draugauth wrote:


gornotck wrote:

So only one month more of people posting politically charged misinformation in order to beat their own propaganda machines to validate their parasitical, armchair dictatorial lifestyles.


Ah you must have missed it when the Smith-Mund Act was repelled and HR6393 passed the House and the Senate. Go read HR6393 Title V and you'll see why we have the crap in the news going on now.


According to Congress, it's only "passed" the House.



SEC. 501. Committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence over peoples and governments.


(a) Definitions.—In this section:


(1) ACTIVE MEASURES BY RUSSIA TO EXERT COVERT INFLUENCE.—The term “active measures by Russia to exert covert influence” means activities intended to influence a person or government that are carried out in coordination with, or at the behest of, political leaders or the security services of the Russian Federation and the role of the Russian Federation has been hidden or not acknowledged publicly, including the following:


(A) Establishment or funding of a front group.



(B) Covert broadcasting.



(C) Media manipulation.



(D) Disinformation and forgeries.



(E) Funding agents of influence.



(F) Incitement and offensive counterintelligence.



(G) Assassinations.



(H) Terrorist acts.





(2) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS.—The term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—


(A) the congressional intelligence committees;



(B) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate; and



(C) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.





(b) Establishment.—There is established within the executive branch an interagency committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence.

(c) Membership.—


(1) IN GENERAL.—


(A) APPOINTMENT.—Each head of an agency or department of the United States Government set out under subparagraph (B) shall appoint one member of the committee established by subsection (b) from among officials of such agency or department who occupy a position that is required to be appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.



(B) HEAD OF AN AGENCY OR DEPARTMENT.—The head of an agency or department of the United States Government set out under this subparagraph are the following:


(i) The Director of National Intelligence.



(ii) The Secretary of State.



(iii) The Secretary of Defense.



(iv) The Secretary of the Treasury.



(v) The Attorney General.



(vi) The Secretary of Energy.



(vii) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.



(viii) The head of any other agency or department of the United States Government designated by the President for purposes of this section.







(d) Meetings.—The committee shall meet on a regular basis.

(e) Duties.—The duties of the committee established by subsection (b) shall be as follows:


(1) To counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence, including by exposing falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism, and assassinations carried out by the security services or political elites of the Russian Federation or their proxies.



(2) Such other duties as the President may designate for purposes of this section.



(f) Staff.—The committee established by subsection (b) may employ such staff as the members of such committee consider appropriate.

(g) Budget request.—A request for funds required for the functioning of the committee established by subsection (b) may be included in each budget for a fiscal year submitted by the President pursuant to section 1105(a) of title 31, United States Code.

(h) Annual report.—


(1) REQUIREMENT.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and annually thereafter, and consistent with the protection of intelligence sources and methods, the committee established by subsection (b) shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report describing steps being taken by the committee to counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence.



(2) MATTERS INCLUDED.—Each report under paragraph (1) shall include a summary of the following:


(A) Active measures by Russia to exert covert influence during the previous year, including significant incidents and notable trends.



(B) Key initiatives of the committee.



(C) Implementation of the committee’s initiatives by the heads of the agencies and departments of the United States Government specified in subsection (c)(1)(B).



(D) Analysis of the success of such initiatives.



(E) Changes to such initiatives from the previous year.





(3) SEPARATE REPORTING REQUIREMENT.—The requirement to submit an annual report under paragraph (1) is in addition to any other reporting requirements with respect to Russia.





SEC. 502. Limitation on travel of accredited diplomats and consulars of the Russian Federation in the United States from their diplomatic post.


(a) Appropriate committees of Congress defined.—In this section, the term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—


(1) the congressional intelligence committees;



(2) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate; and



(3) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.



(b) Quarterly limitation on travel distance.—Accredited diplomatic personnel and consulars of the Russian Federation in the United States may not be permitted to travel a distance in excess of 25 miles from their diplomatic post in the United States in a calendar quarter unless, on or before the last day of the preceding calendar quarter, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation has certified in writing to the appropriate committees of Congress that during the preceding calendar quarter the Bureau did not identify any violations by accredited diplomatic personnel and consulars of the Russian Federation of applicable requirements to notify the United States Government in connection with travel by such diplomatic personnel and consulars of a distance in excess of 25 miles from their diplomatic post in the United States.

(c) Applicability.—Subsection (b) shall apply to each calendar quarter that begins more than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

(d) Waiver authority.—


(1) IN GENERAL.—The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation may waive any travel distance limitation imposed by subsection (b) if the Director determines that such a waiver will further the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States.



(2) NOTIFICATION.—Not later than 15 days after issuing a waiver under paragraph (1), the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a notification that such waiver has been issued and the justification for the issuance of such waiver.





SEC. 503. Study and report on enhanced intelligence and information sharing with Open Skies Treaty member states.


(a) Definitions.—In this section:


(1) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS.—The term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—


(A) congressional intelligence committees;



(B) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate; and



(C) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.





(2) COVERED STATE PARTY.—The term “covered state party” means a foreign country, that—


(A) was a state party to the Open Skies Treaty on February 22, 2016; and



(B) is not the Russian Federation or the Republic of Belarus.





(3) OPEN SKIES TREATY.—The term “Open Skies Treaty” means the Treaty on Open Skies, done at Helsinki March 24, 1992, and entered into force January 1, 2002.



(b) Feasibility study.—


(1) REQUIREMENT FOR STUDY.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of National Intelligence shall conduct and submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a study to determine the feasibility of creating an intelligence sharing arrangement and database to provide covered state parties with imagery that is comparable, delivered more frequently, and in equal or higher resolution than imagery available through the database established under the Open Skies Treaty.



(2) ELEMENTS.—The study required by paragraph (1) shall include an evaluation of the following:


(A) The methods by which the United States could collect and provide imagery, including commercial satellite imagery, national technical means, and through other intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance platforms, under an information sharing arrangement and database referred to in paragraph (1).



(B) The ability of other covered state parties to contribute imagery to the arrangement and database.



(C) Any impediments to the United States and other covered states parties providing such imagery, including any statutory barriers, insufficiencies in the ability to collect the imagery or funding, under such an arrangement.



(D) Whether imagery of Moscow, Chechnya, the international border between Russia and Georgia, Kaliningrad, or the Republic of Belarus could be provided under such an arrangement.



(E) The annual and projected costs associated with the establishment of such an arrangement and database, as compared with costs to the United States and other covered state parties of being parties to the Open Skies Treaty, including Open Skies Treaty plane maintenance, aircraft fuel, crew expenses, mitigation measures necessary associated with Russian Federation overflights over the United States or covered state parties, and new sensor development and acquisition.





(3) SUPPORT FROM OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES.—Each head of a Federal agency shall provide such support to the Director as may be necessary for the Director to conduct the study required by paragraph (1).



(c) Report.—


(1) REQUIREMENT FOR REPORT.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of National Intelligence shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress the report described in this subsection.



(2) CONTENT OF REPORT.—The report required by paragraph (1) shall include the following:


(A) An intelligence assessment on Russian Federation warfighting doctrine and the extent to which Russian Federation flights under the Open Skies Treaty contribute to such doctrine.



(B) A counterintelligence analysis as to whether the Russian Federation has, could have, or intends to have the capability to exceed the imagery limits set forth in the Open Skies Treaty.



(C) A list of intelligence exchanges with covered state parties that have been updated on the information described in subparagraphs (A) and (B) and the date and form such information was provided.





(d) Form of submission.—The study required by subsection (b) and the report required by subsection (c) shall be submitted in an unclassified form but may include a classified annex.


I stand corrected. It was covered in Liberal news as passing both by serious margins as it's attached to HR 4909 (the NDAA). Thank you for pointing that out.
Posted 12/21/16
By the way the thread topic is a bit off. I don't actually HATE the person Obama is, I just pretty much hate all of his ideas and perceptions about America and Americans. I wouldn't wish harm on him or his family or anything like that. While I feel that he has been a very destructive force, I'm sure he believes what he is doing is for the best... he's just wrong. Very wrong, but then so are most democrats and I don't hate them as people either.
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Shade_fire wrote:

So it's more of a the government has caused us to suffer over the years with nonsensical garbage. Now it's our turn to watch them squirm so we put a highly unqualified and quick tempered nutter that they can't rope in if shit hits the fan? See I'm an anarchist, and while I'm not going to lie some aspects of that do sound quite entertaining to me, but umm it doesn't seem like that's going to fix or lessen any of the current issues we have with the country or the government. All it seems to me it will serve to do is cause those of us at the bottom of the barrel to have to suffer more. Those at their level might suffer some, but I doubt much of an impact will be made from it. In 4 years time trump will continue to disappoint his supporters just as he's already started doing and some other loon will come in because the people will listen to their false promises and vote them in. They might not have to wait that long. Some of the junk he's doing now if he does after being sworn in is legitimate impeaching material. Should that happen we'll be stuck with pence. Who aside from some extremely far right views is a cookie cutter establishment politician.


Well every president has failed to keep the vast majority of their promises.

Honestly this last election was just shit. The DNC supported a traitor and the RNC supported an asshole. And for 3rd party options we had Jill Stein whom is a nutcase and Gary Johnson who didn't take a single question he was asked seriously.

However that being said, companies that were going to leave the US have changed their tunes keeping jobs here since Trump won the state and county popular vote, even though he lost the overall popular vote thanks to California who accounted for just over 10% of the total national votes.

Although to be fair I did support Obama in 2008 until he showed he was worthless by 2012 when I voted against him. So who knows how Trump will turn out. He may surprise us, although I doubt it, and prove that running the country like a business is the way to make it strong again.

I'm not an Anarchist myself but I am a moderate
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In all fairness to that republicans and democrats both had their chances pretty evenly since the country's beginnings. It's quite obvious at least from the traditional batches of both parties that neither are willing to produce or allow a candidate worth their salt. Yet here we all are by which I mean in America fighting among ourselves while both parties bleed us dry of our livelihoods.
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Xxanthar wrote:

By the way the thread topic is a bit off. I don't actually HATE the person Obama is, I just pretty much hate all of his ideas and perceptions about America and Americans. I wouldn't wish harm on him or his family or anything like that. While I feel that he has been a very destructive force, I'm sure he believes what he is doing is for the best... he's just wrong. Very wrong, but then so are most democrats and I don't hate them as people either.


And I think that is true in most aspects. I have Alt-Left who are friends on facebook and I've had in my home. Yet they try and pull their alt-left crap only to get spanked with facts. They are intelligent but are so brainwashed that it's like the Alt-Right people.

I don't hate Obama but I also don't respect him. The decisions he has made betrayed my trust in him when I voted for him in 2008. But I don't wish him dead. However I do hold him responsible for what he has done or failed to do as president
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Shade_fire wrote:

In all fairness to that republicans and democrats both had their chances pretty evenly since the country's beginnings. It's quite obvious at least from the traditional batches of both parties that neither are willing to produce or allow a candidate worth their salt. Yet here we all are by which I mean in America fighting among ourselves while both parties bleed us dry of our livelihoods.


I do want to correct you. The Republican party aka the GOP has been around since the US was created. The Democrats came a long time after and were created by the Workers Socialists in an effort to appeal to the working man as they felt the GOP had lost touch with the working man.

But as both parties are now, I have to agree they are nothing more than a joke, however we will be stuck with them until the next civil war, or revolution, or the end of the country as a Constitutional Republic.
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