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I think he was good because he united the Mongol tribes and practiced religious tolerance, But he was bad because of the ruthless treatment of the settlements that rebelled against him.Genghis also most likely brought upon disease in Europe killing 1/3 of its population. He also had amazing calvary units (basically his entire army).
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Why does that make him 'bad'?
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Why does that make him 'bad'?

Why does what make him bad?
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Anything that he did. It was all pretty normal behavior for his contemporary period. You conquer a village and when they get a bit catawampus you go back and kick their asses even harder. That's good business, for the time.

As for the "disease" thing and wiping out 1/3 of Europe or whatever, Europe does that to themselves every so often. How can he be called 'evil' for joining in their fun and games?
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gornotck wrote:

Anything that he did. It was all pretty normal behavior for his contemporary period. You conquer a village and when they get a bit catawampus you go back and kick their asses even harder. That's good business, for the time.

As for the "disease" thing and wiping out 1/3 of Europe or whatever, Europe does that to themselves every so often. How can he be called 'evil' for joining in their fun and games?

True, but not everything was "accepted", maybe by his fellow mongols but surrounding powers most likely wouldn't agree.
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Posted 12/21/16
I said it was normal. They wouldn't agree, because they are the ones being ground into dust by a bunch of smelly dudes on plains ponies. They wouldn't agree if they were the ones doing it, because then it is good, holy, and according to divine providence.

It's only "bad" if someone else is doing it.
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He is also known for raping and pillaging across the EU if I recall.

He contains both sides of the story, just as every ruler did.

Hitler created animals rights and destroyed the Jews.
The USA commit genocide against the Japanese and also pioneered the biomedical system.

The list goes on and on. No one is perfect, same goes with the Kahn.
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I doubt having CR among the sources of your paper will go over well in grading. -.-
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Best to try to judge for the time period. He did a lot of rape and pillaging but so did everyone at the time period, doesn't mean it wasn't awful or horrific we're light years better from how they were but yes he also did some pretty cool things for the time. No need to forgive whatever happened, whomever suffered under him are long put to rest, and no reason to not acknowledge the progressive things he did for academic purposes.

So by today's standards? A monster. By then standards, the royal asshole with some pretty progressive stuff as well.
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Genghis Khan's level of 'evil' is underrated. He's at least comparable to Hitler.

Many of the countries devastated by the Mongols required hundreds of years to return to their pre-Mongol populations.

The death toll of Genghis' conquest is actually close to WW2, with an estimate 30-70 million dead due to Genghis (compare 40 -73 million WW2 dead). That's pretty high considering Genghis didn't have all the modern conveniences of aircraft, railways, chemical weapons, and machine guns.

I'm pretty sure the 'religous tolerance' practiced by Mongols was simply indifference, because the Mongols wanted tribute from cities who surrendered, and they had to leave them in one piece in order to do that. The cities who refused to surrender were slaughtered.

Of course, the people most affected by Genghis are not in the Anglophone world, but believe me, people in countries like Iran and Afghanistan still hold a grudge.
Hitler affected people in Europe, and within living memory of us even to this day, so of course he's the gold standard of 'evil' for the West.


Dark_Alma wrote:
The USA commit genocide against the Japanese and also pioneered the biomedical system.

I think you mean Native Americans?
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yeah i mean he raped so many women and was very brutal but he had a humongous empire and his empire is considered one of the greatest
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Who knows... it was a totally different world back then. Just be thankful humanity has improved a bit since then. It's only been a few hundred years since we were taking dumps in a hole in the ground and wiping with some nearby leaves. We've come a long way in a short time.
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Genghis Khan's level of 'evil' is underrated. He's at least comparable to Hitler.

Many of the countries devastated by the Mongols required hundreds of years to return to their pre-Mongol populations.

The death toll of Genghis' conquest is actually close to WW2, with an estimate 30-70 million dead due to Genghis (compare 40 -73 million WW2 dead). That's pretty high considering Genghis didn't have all the modern conveniences of aircraft, railways, chemical weapons, and machine guns.

I'm pretty sure the 'religous tolerance' practiced by Mongols was simply indifference, because the Mongols wanted tribute from cities who surrendered, and they had to leave them in one piece in order to do that. The cities who refused to surrender were slaughtered.

Of course, the people most affected by Genghis are not in the Anglophone world, but believe me, people in countries like Iran and Afghanistan still hold a grudge.
Hitler affected people in Europe, and within living memory of us even to this day, so of course he's the gold standard of 'evil' for the West.


Dark_Alma wrote:
The USA commit genocide against the Japanese and also pioneered the biomedical system.

I think you mean Native Americans?


We nuked Japan as well as commit genocide on the Native Americans.

Around 250,000 died from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That easily fits genocide. Especially because it wasn't soldiers we killed.
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Posted 12/22/16 , edited 12/22/16

Dark_Alma wrote:
We nuked Japan as well as commit genocide on the Native Americans.

Around 250,000 died from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That easily fits genocide. Especially because it wasn't soldiers we killed.

I don't want to derail the thread but genocide has to have some kind of intent to wipe out a race behind it. That was not the case with the atomic bomb.
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