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Nearly 95% of all new jobs during Obama era were part-time, or contract
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You know those 15 million new jobs Obama created? They were part time, contract, or temp jobs. Thanks Obama.

http://m.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all-job-growth-during-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057

Investing.com -- A new study by economists from Harvard and Princeton indicates that 94% of the 10 million new jobs created during the Obama era were temporary positions.

The study shows that the jobs were temporary, contract positions, or part-time "gig" jobs in a variety of fields.

Female workers suffered most heavily in this economy, as work in traditionally feminine fields, like education and medicine, declined during the era.

The research by economists Lawrence Katz of Harvard University and Alan Krueger at Princeton University shows that the proportion of workers throughout the U.S., during the Obama era, who were working in these kinds of temporary jobs, increased from 10.7% of the population to 15.8%.
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Thank you! Even the head of the DNC Donna Brazille admitted this in the Podesta emails. The out of touch, yuppy cosmopolitan wing of the Democratic party is either ignorant to this fact or they simply don't care about the working people of this country.

As an ex-blue collar Dem turned independent, it makes me furious when the party establishment promotes failed foreign and economic policies time and time again and talks down to the rest of us like we are too stupid to know what is best for us. There is a large group of the former middle class in this country who have been left behind since the turn of the millennium and I'm sick and tired of the charade of pretending that we are all better off now.
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Weird. Never heard that 15 million new jobs were created. Guess it makes sense that most of them were temporary, though it should be pointed out that temporary, contract, and part-time are three entirely different things.
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Weird. Never heard that 15 million new jobs were created. Guess it makes sense that most of them were temporary, though it should be pointed out that temporary, contract, and part-time are three entirely different things.


Mostly part time, low wage, no benefit crap jobs.

There is a reason why economic growth in this country is coming to a halt, far too many people are working for peanuts which means people are spending less on goods and services.

They are getting squeezed by unaffordable health insurance, education and housing bills while getting stuck with stagnant or declining wages.
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gornotck wrote:

Weird. Never heard that 15 million new jobs were created. Guess it makes sense that most of them were temporary, though it should be pointed out that temporary, contract, and part-time are three entirely different things.


Mostly part time, low wage, no benefit crap jobs.

There is a reason why economic growth in this country is coming to a halt, far too many people are working for peanuts which means people are spending less on goods and services.

They are getting squeezed by unaffordable health insurance, education and housing bills while getting stuck with stagnant or declining wages.


None of that is news to me, though for laughs the state of Arizona had a proposition put on a ballot to raise the minimum wage to $12 and some change as of January 1, 2017. It passed resoundingly, so the state of Arizona and businesses in Arizona immediately sued to prevent it from going into effect.
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gornotck wrote:


kevz_210 wrote:


gornotck wrote:

Weird. Never heard that 15 million new jobs were created. Guess it makes sense that most of them were temporary, though it should be pointed out that temporary, contract, and part-time are three entirely different things.


Mostly part time, low wage, no benefit crap jobs.

There is a reason why economic growth in this country is coming to a halt, far too many people are working for peanuts which means people are spending less on goods and services.

They are getting squeezed by unaffordable health insurance, education and housing bills while getting stuck with stagnant or declining wages.


None of that is news to me, though for laughs the state of Arizona had a proposition put on a ballot to raise the minimum wage to $12 and some change as of January 1, 2017. It passed resoundingly, so the state of Arizona and businesses in Arizona immediately sued to prevent it from going into effect.


A good chunk of the reason why wages are piss poor is the anti union sentiment in this country. A large portion of the population has been brainwashed into voting for decreased bargaining power and workers rights. Perhaps the even bigger reason is that we are getting ripped off on the global market, something both parties are in complete denial about.

Glad people are starting to realize how much they are getting screwed and are now fighting back. I read earlier today that 1/4 of the workforce is making less than $9 an hour, if something doesn't give whats left of the middle class will be gone within my lifetime...
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There are strong reasons why people have "anti-union" sentiments.
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kevz_210 wrote:

A good chunk of the reason why wages are piss poor is the anti union sentiment in this country. A large portion of the population has been brainwashed into voting for decreased bargaining power and workers rights. Perhaps the even bigger reason is that we are getting ripped off on the global market, something both parties are in complete denial about.

Glad people are starting to realize how much they are getting screwed and are now fighting back. I read earlier today that 1/4 of the workforce is making less than $9 an hour, if something doesn't give whats left of the middle class will be gone within my lifetime...


I've worked at two union shops before, and I personally hate unions for the following two reasons.
* Forced membership - You can't opt out of union membership. If you don't want to join the union, you can't get the job.
* Promotion practices - Promotions are always doled out based on length of employment. An incompetent and lazy worker will get the promotion over a hard working worker who has provided far more benefit to the company simply because they have worked there longer.

There is also the issue where the union member has no control over what their dues go to. The union will use the dues to fund the campaigns of politicians you don't support (almost always liberal Democrats) and there is nothing you can do about it.
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What exactly is the insinuation here? That Obama made it harder for people to create jobs? There are over 3 million open jobs in America, people don't occupy those jobs due to a skill mismatch not because it's difficult to do so, higher wages are alot of the times due to corporate greed or lack of concern of worker wages for the sake of business interests which may or may not coincide with the health of the typical worker. They hog all the money and never lets it trickle down hence Sander's 1% one-liners and higher taxes on the rich to force that money to trickle down to the middle class and that is why you see a correlation of wage inequality, tax reduction or dodging of the rich, and union decline, As if a president has influence over wage gaps? The income inequality has been constant since the Reagan Revolution of less regulation and less taxes.

The facts are, When Barack Obama took office, the unemployment rate was 10% at its highest due to the financial meltdown, and the REAL unemployment, which includes people outside the work force was at its highest, a whopping 17.1%. Nearly 1 in 5 people had no job (Excluding children and the elderly), now we are clearly not totally fixed but under Obama, the unemployment rate has dropped to 4.9%% and the REAL unemployment is 9.3%, which is a whopping 7.8% reduction in unemployment, despite arguments of expansion of entitlements killing work incentives, despite all this talk about Obamacare, foodstamps and welfare (Expanded by the states and the meltdown, not expanded by Obama in any way) would kill jobs. If most of these jobs were temporary, then why has the unemployment rate remained steady? The government's job is to create an environment where jobs can be easily created, but people are going to shift job overseas not because of government but because of skills and worker efficiency, educating people creates more jobs than any amount of taxes or regulation the government imposes, which again is why Bernie Sander's plan for free college is such a smart idea because job growth has heavy correlation with education, look at Japan, South Korea, and China. And to add a little sidenote, the national deficit under Obama was 1.4 trillion when he came in, and now it's currently 600 billion which is more than half of a reduction of 800 billion dollars. So obviously we are not there, but to deny that tremendous progress has not been made under Obama despite an reduced unemployment rate, and to hear cherrypicking progress with talk of wage gaps (Which happen regardless of Obama) is extremely disingenuous when back in 2012, all we heard about this President was his inability to create jobs. And your study is just one study from 3 guys in Princeton, I hardly call that conclusive or damning. Good jobs come when people get educated, not only do we need more college, we need people to stop picking worthless majors and go into majors that produce Jobs, that way, you can create growth because we have a ton of jobs, we just don't have the skills.

For those who don't want to read my long paragraphs, i'll sum it simply as this:

Obama reduced unemployment from 10% to 4.9% and reduced REAL unemployment (People out of work-force) from 17.1% to 9.3%. He reduced the national deficit from 1.4 trillion dollars to 600 billion dollars. That will be his legacy, not perfect, but good.

If you are to compare America's recovery of the meltdown compared to Europe and other countries, we are doing alot better. Our wages suffer because we are shifting to a service economy where people don't want STEM jobs and just want to focus on arts, which is why I think this idea of higher subsidies of Colleges is a good idea because granting easier access to education is exactly the bridge needed to bridge the gap between unemployment and millions of open jobs.

One thing democrats and Republicans agree on is that the economy does well when there is heavy money flow in the middle class, when we talk about wage inequality, it means money is concentrated at the top, that's what Sanders talks about. So if both sides come to the agreement that the economy does well when money is concentrated in the center, then the divide between Dems and Reps is that Republicans want to nudge millionaires and billionaires to create jobs through their own skill by cutting taxes and de-regulation, the problem is that, it doesn't always lead to job growth hence Bush tax cuts Versus Obama and Clinton's raising of income taxes which did lead to millions of jobs. The democrats solution is not to wait for the millionaires to spend money on their own, but force them to trickle down that money through taxes and through subtle income redistribution such as minimum wage increase, the problem there is that when the government has money, it doesn't always get used effectively and doesn't go to where its desperately needed, it goes to bail out wall street and not main street.

So obviously, we aren't in an ideal position, but we are totally better off than we were 8 years ago, a job is a job, and unemployment continues to decrease, including REAL unemployment, if it was all temporary jobs and part-time jobs, we'd see an unstable fluctuation of employment considering part-time work and temporary jobs are unstable and not long-lasting and when you consider that this recession was the 2nd greatest since the depression where unemployment was as high as 25%, we can all criticize and be cynical about the progress made under Obama and how he didn't do enough, but people will never view progress in relation to the hypothetical scenario of what sort of depression could have happened if he didn't pass the stimulus, if he didn't bail out GE, etc. There are probably millions of things he could have done better and millions of things he could have done to make it worse. But if was can fetishsize Ronald Reagan and the jobs he created after the Carter Years, then I'm sure history will remember Obama quite fondly considering his recovery is quite paralleled to Reagan.
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Riiiiight.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1&IR=T/#ts-start-with-the-obvious-unemployment-three-years-after-the-financial-crisis-the-unemployment-rate-is-still-at-the-highest-level-since-the-great-depression-except-for-a-brief-blip-in-the-early-1980s-1

Oh, and Reagan's "genius":

http://www.vqronline.org/essay/reagan-retrospect
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Obama's still likely going to do more retroactively than that contradictory circlejerk ever will lmao
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You know those 15 million new jobs Obama created? They were part time, contract, or temp jobs. Thanks Obama.


Contract work is great if you're good at what you do, because you can get paid a full-time salary doing a week's worth of work for half a dozen people. That's like getting ten months of vacation a year.

Of course, if you SUCK at what you do, contract work is basically indistinguishable from unemployment.
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kevz_210 wrote:


gornotck wrote:

Weird. Never heard that 15 million new jobs were created. Guess it makes sense that most of them were temporary, though it should be pointed out that temporary, contract, and part-time are three entirely different things.


Mostly part time, low wage, no benefit crap jobs.

There is a reason why economic growth in this country is coming to a halt, far too many people are working for peanuts which means people are spending less on goods and services.

They are getting squeezed by unaffordable health insurance, education and housing bills while getting stuck with stagnant or declining wages.


None of that is news to me, though for laughs the state of Arizona had a proposition put on a ballot to raise the minimum wage to $12 and some change as of January 1, 2017. It passed resoundingly, so the state of Arizona and businesses in Arizona immediately sued to prevent it from going into effect.


Sued who exactly? Because the people spoke. It's like if the U.K. sued to remain in Europe or California sued to keep weed illegal. Any government that ignores the will of its people deserves to have their leaders dragged out into the streets and shot. And that's coming from a pacifist!
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Sued who exactly? Because the people spoke. It's like if the U.K. sued to remain in Europe or California sued to keep weed illegal. Any government that ignores the will of its people deserves to have their leaders dragged out into the streets and shot. And that's coming from a pacifist!


http://tucson.com/news/government-and-politics/suit-filed-to-block-voter-approved-increase-in-arizona-s/article_38f17dc6-c2f5-11e6-9073-7f37d4b66969.html

http://tucson.com/business/tucson/arizona-s-minimum-wage-increase-upheld-as-judge-rebuffs-business/article_678eb1d4-c7bf-11e6-a435-fbbcd62e5fb6.html

I don't think I actually saw the party that they were suing, so I don't know. As you can see, the lawsuit was filed around the 15th, and a judge said 'no' around the 20th.
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gornotck wrote:


kevz_210 wrote:


gornotck wrote:

Weird. Never heard that 15 million new jobs were created. Guess it makes sense that most of them were temporary, though it should be pointed out that temporary, contract, and part-time are three entirely different things.


Mostly part time, low wage, no benefit crap jobs.

There is a reason why economic growth in this country is coming to a halt, far too many people are working for peanuts which means people are spending less on goods and services.

They are getting squeezed by unaffordable health insurance, education and housing bills while getting stuck with stagnant or declining wages.


None of that is news to me, though for laughs the state of Arizona had a proposition put on a ballot to raise the minimum wage to $12 and some change as of January 1, 2017. It passed resoundingly, so the state of Arizona and businesses in Arizona immediately sued to prevent it from going into effect.


Sued who exactly? Because the people spoke. It's like if the U.K. sued to remain in Europe or California sued to keep weed illegal. Any government that ignores the will of its people deserves to have their leaders dragged out into the streets and shot. And that's coming from a pacifist!


The UK part of that is happening. Just google "uk courts challenge brexit"
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