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Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member
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Posted 12/23/16
good maybe Linux will finally release drivers for my sound card so I can finally switch to Linux full time If Linux actually had released drivers for video and sound cards when windows 10 came out they could have come close to over taking Microsoft but they missed their chance
Posted 12/23/16
I think this will help the Linux community more than hurt it.
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Posted 12/23/16 , edited 12/23/16

namealreadytaken wrote:


zinjashike wrote:

choppin_broccoli wrote:
insert conspiracy nonsense here

No, you waste mine. You don't want to post your supposed source because it debunks you itself:
Source

something tells me that guy was the same one that did the pizzagate thread. you're not supposed to feed trolls. it's bad for your sanity.


Oh damn, the 3rd person weirdo.

Fair enough. I've ran into people that legitimately believe this nonsense though; like people that insist MS is making viruses for Windows to force physical computer upgrades.

Ultimately, Linux relies on being open source and easily reviewable code wise. The idea that MS, with high visibility, is going to sneak a backdoor into Linux for the government is just so laughably asinine. If the government really wanted to do it they would find a contributor with a lot of history that's trusted to use as they're more likely to slip unnoticed.


Xxanthar wrote:

I think this will help the Linux community more than hurt it.


Agreed, my guess is they're also wanting to turn Windows into a central point for ALL server management. Thus the ability to use both Bash and Powershell for example. That plus trying to make the leading development platform for Linux and Windows.
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Posted 12/23/16 , edited 12/23/16

zinjashike wrote:
people that insist MS is making viruses for Windows to force physical computer upgrades.

from what i remember, later intel / amd processors and nvidia/amd graphics card will only support windows 10
(something about the chip being completely incompatible with windows 8.1 and below)
they may not be forcing you, but people who want to play the latest and greatest pc game at ultra max 4K 120fps with their VR headsets will need to use windows 10. kinda sucks for people who much prefer windows 7 / 8. not many of us would need that though.

edit: here's a source
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/02/windows_intel_kaby_lake_amd_zen/
i also remember reading the same thing with Nvidia only supporting windows 10...but that was long ago.
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Microsoft have a horrible, horrible PR team that made the worst possible way of introducing windows 10
(remember how clicking the X button was actually a consent to install 10? that wasn't nice at all. same with surreptitiously making windows 10 a "recommended" update and installing on users PC without their express permission)
having said that, people apparently found ways to work around most of the privacy issues with windows 10, though you need to know a little bit on how to mess with the registry and stuff. nothing too complicated, but Microsoft could have made it easier to opt out of telemetry stuff.
as for joining the Linux Foundation, i don't see why that would be a bad thing. standard compliance is a good thing, no?


Microsoft has horrible PR period. The entire Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile saga is a good example. The way PR handled Windows Phone would make the botched introduction to Windows 10 look good. As for them officially joining the Linux Foundation, its more them cementing their commitment to open source (and unintended bragging rights since they get to be featured in the Platinum section).



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So games can actually play in Linux?


Not exactly since that's still on the developer of the game to make it. Microsoft's current contributions center mainly around developers and the tools people use (Something like .NET and not Visual Studio) so it could provide added benefit to gaming on Linux for making development easier. There is actually bits of Linux code in Win10 as part of the Windows Subsystem for Linux that's really intended for developers. As a fun fact, WSL actually came from the ashes of Project Astoria, MS' first attempt to get Android apps running on Windows 10 Mobile through emulation.
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Posted 12/23/16

zinjashike wrote:


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Sorry, the plane already flew past and over your head, if you knew wtf I was talking about you wouldnt be acting so incredulous.


You're probably referring to the speculation that MS included government issued/compromised root certificates in an update which conspiracy theorists went off the deep end with. You realize this isn't actually evidence so attempt to protect your sorry ego in the process. After all, if the government wanted they could directly compromise a CA without the need of MS even lifting a finger.


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gsm642 wrote:

good maybe Linux will finally release drivers for my sound card so I can finally switch to Linux full time If Linux actually had released drivers for video and sound cards when windows 10 came out they could have come close to over taking Microsoft but they missed their chance


The developers of the sound card need to be releasing drivers for their own shit instead of expecting volunteers to do it all the time... I literally won't buy from manufacturers that don't support linux.



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zinjashike wrote:
people that insist MS is making viruses for Windows to force physical computer upgrades.

from what i remember, later intel / amd processors and nvidia/amd graphics card will only support windows 10
(something about the chip being completely incompatible with windows 8.1 and below)
they may not be forcing you, but people who want to play the latest and greatest pc game at ultra max 4K 120fps with their VR headsets will need to use windows 10. kinda sucks for people who much prefer windows 7 / 8. not many of us would need that though.

edit: here's a source
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/02/windows_intel_kaby_lake_amd_zen/
i also remember reading the same thing with Nvidia only supporting windows 10...but that was long ago.


It's that windows 7 and before doesn't come with USB 3.0 drivers by default so if you only have USB 3.0 ports then you can't connect a keyboard or mouse for installation. Thats how they are killing it.

I literally bought a motherboard with a few USB2.0 ports just so I can install windows 7 for some games. Theeeen I end up not even wanting to launch it because its a night mare every time I launch it. Sooo much stuff wanting up update all at once.
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Posted 12/23/16 , edited 12/23/16

Rujikin wrote:


zinjashike wrote:


choppin_broccoli wrote:

Sorry, the plane already flew past and over your head, if you knew wtf I was talking about you wouldnt be acting so incredulous.


You're probably referring to the speculation that MS included government issued/compromised root certificates in an update which conspiracy theorists went off the deep end with. You realize this isn't actually evidence so attempt to protect your sorry ego in the process. After all, if the government wanted they could directly compromise a CA without the need of MS even lifting a finger.




Oh ffs it's the conspiratard copypasta again. First, it shows the idiot assembling it doesn't understand what a botnet actually is. In fact, it shows they're pretty incomprehensible across the board and likely scribbling on a wall somewhere.

Telemetry can be disabled save the very basics, but most items feeding back to microsoft is likely randomized for improvement based on prior art. Specifically, to improve Cortana and similar services. This is the same behavior mobile operating systems have with their voice recognition like Google Now and Siri. Location is used for nearby services and other dependencies (weather) which, once again, every modern operating system will collect if it provides basic QoL usability enhancements. If you set it to one the only thing that should be going out is basic crash dumps and similar which might have a basic identifier to track basic items like configuration and whether repeated behavior triggers a similar dump. One of the issues with Vista and the like was lack of usable dumps for analysis which delayed fixes.

Email scanning? Every email provider and ISP effectively has these clauses for legal purposes. If a legal government warrant is served they must comply. The good news is that they only comply with laws for the requesting country's citizen - US cannot impose their laws on foreign citizens and vice-versa (MS went to court for this by the way). MS isn't nearly as friendly with the government as people think as can be seen here. Don't like it? Build your own fucking web server and register a domain. Every provider has to comply to these, and guess what? If you host your own server and get served a warrant, you'll have to comply too.

Cloud sync? Yeah, that's a standard feature - once again, QoL improvement. Your phone implements this now, why do you think MS wouldn't implement it after people whining that their computer died and, gee whiz all their work is lost because idiots are too stupid to back up?

Cortana scanning? Yeah, so it can tell you call "John" a name like "Joe" so when you eventually say "call Joe" it will know you're talking about John. Once again, easily explained.

Bitlocker key backup. You can delete this.

MS rightfully assumes their vast majority of their customer base clearly hasn't learned how to use a computer in the past twenty years. So they add multiple ways to protect people from themselves. Forced updates to prevent people from getting the latest Flash exploit, Windows defender because people have proven they will constantly click the wrong download link, etc.

The only "valid" complaint on here is the advertising which one can turn off.


namealreadytaken wrote:


zinjashike wrote:
people that insist MS is making viruses for Windows to force physical computer upgrades.

from what i remember, later intel / amd processors and nvidia/amd graphics card will only support windows 10
(something about the chip being completely incompatible with windows 8.1 and below)
they may not be forcing you, but people who want to play the latest and greatest pc game at ultra max 4K 120fps with their VR headsets will need to use windows 10. kinda sucks for people who much prefer windows 7 / 8. not many of us would need that though.

edit: here's a source
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/02/windows_intel_kaby_lake_amd_zen/
i also remember reading the same thing with Nvidia only supporting windows 10...but that was long ago.


I'm referring to people claiming things like MS Blaster was a MS conspiracy. Microsoft discontinuing legacy support for new equipment is not MS breaking existing equipment to force sales of new hardware. MS doesn't want to support multiple systems anymore. Remember how long XP was kept on life-support? People have vowed to do the same for seven, and MS is cutting that behavior off at the knee.
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All linux needs is a flash player update or the industry to switch to html5, and directx. I would never use windows again. Linux does have viruses but the difference is the kernal gets updated and that exploit goes away. With Windows you may never know you have a virus. Plus theres so many more ways to personalize your experience. From core programs, to desktop, to hard drive format it's all your choice. If you want your computer to shout I"m a pritty girl when you tern it on you can do that.
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Rujikin wrote:


zinjashike wrote:


choppin_broccoli wrote:

Sorry, the plane already flew past and over your head, if you knew wtf I was talking about you wouldnt be acting so incredulous.


You're probably referring to the speculation that MS included government issued/compromised root certificates in an update which conspiracy theorists went off the deep end with. You realize this isn't actually evidence so attempt to protect your sorry ego in the process. After all, if the government wanted they could directly compromise a CA without the need of MS even lifting a finger.




Yeah. This is why Windows 7 Pro is the last OS I'll ever buy from MS. When Win 7 Pro crumbles and dies, like Win XP did, I'll be a pure Linux user.

As a matter of fact, since I haven't been PC gaming for almost six months, now, I haven't logged onto Windows. I've been logged onto my Kubuntu partition since then. Maybe, when I start gaming again (it won't be for many, many months. I'm working on other stuff that requires my time), I'll log back into Win7Pro. I might need to do a complete re-install.... I haven't updated Windows since almost six months ago.....
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Year-end cleanup. Closing threads with no new posts since 12/31/2016.
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