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Brave New World Makes no sense. Let me explain. John grows up in the native reservation and desperately wants to be integrated into the community and its customs. Instead the residents treat him like garbage, basically, and never allow him a way into the group. John is then shown the outside of the reservation (The World State), which is trying hard to assimilate him by constantly enticing him to join in their hedonistic customs. John flips out and tries to destroy harmony within this society, because he can't understand how others can be satisfied by things he's repulsed by. He a peacefully subdued and given a choice to basically live wherever he wants (The World State respecting wishes for people to live in alternative communities) John, instead of going to the community of exiles, chooses to live as a hermit. He's found by the locals and peer pressured into joining their hedonistic "hazing" ceremony. He then kills himself from shame, of having become one of 'them'.

The World State never physically abuses John and wants him to be a member. They're supposedly the bad guys.

The natives treat John like shit, despite his longing to be one of them. They're not the villains, apparently.

Anybody else find this puzzling?
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Nineteen Eighty Four all the way.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Nineteen Eighty Four all the way.


Mmmm. Not quite. John had complete autonomy in his decision making. He could have gone with Helmholtz, I think, and would have ended up fine. Big Brother is a little more direct than the World State. Oceana wouldn't just allow dissenters to populate some island by themselves.

BTW, how's winter there in Winnipeg? I heard it was -40 there.
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toquenotbeanie wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Nineteen Eighty Four all the way.


Mmmm. Not quite. John had complete autonomy in his decision making. He could have gone with Helmholtz, I think, and would have ended up fine. Big Brother is a little more direct than the World State. Oceana wouldn't just allow dissenters to populate some island by themselves.

BTW, how's winter there in Winnipeg? I heard it was -40 there.


Forecast for today is -11 .-.

It's not even windy or anything. Lots of snow mind you.
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Link to source please.
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I meant the comic.
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I do not find the novel puzzling: John is able to be a human individual in the reserve even as an outcast but he become a part of the mindless collective in The World State. This has some reverence to the rebellion in Zetsuen No Tempest, the different morality between kyuubey and his magical girl contractors in Magica Madoka, the theme of fake in Nisemonogatari, and the theme of existence in Shakugan No Shana. The desire to be an individual has some practical significance: it explain how Donald Trump become the leader of the Republican Party. The mainstream Republicans embrace Capitalism which use the invisible hand to make the fantasy logic in kid's cartoons work. They also use their intensive hacking and impersonation to takeover online Marxist communities and make the Marxist use the fantasy logic to achieve Communism; in this way, the Republicans do not have to address the real Marixst ideology and make Capitalism sound rational by saying that Marxist fall because it do not use the invisible hand to make the fantasy logic work.
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The comic? Both 1984 and Brave New World are books, not manga, if that's what you're referring to.
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toquenotbeanie wrote:



The comic? Both 1984 and Brave New World are books, not manga, if that's what you're referring to.


OK so link please. There like a lot of books with the same name.
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Here you go.

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/1984
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/brave-new-world
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