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Posted 12/27/16 , edited 12/30/16

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Why was it supported, why were people against it (other then the reasons provided at this moment)?

It feels like the messages are kind of mixed at this point. I'm sure the people who once supported it might have changed their position based on the current situation.


Well, the migration of manufacturing operations from the US to Mexico in pursuit of lax labour standards and dramatically lower wages combined with high amounts of campaign cash flowing into supportive politicians' election war chests appears to be a pretty big part of it. Considering what was revealed over the course of the various leaks to Wikileaks about the internal workings of the DNC, the Clinton campaign, and so on one is inclined to think that the problem is still quite widespread, though it would be fair to say that at least some of the people who either voted that way or supported those who did ultimately came to sincerely regret it and change direction. I don't doubt that.
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i liked ur troll posts better
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Bill Clinton was so proud when he signed it. He made it seem like it was his baby. So I blamed the Democrats. Please recall that in other threads (if you've read my comments there) I attributed both the Republicans and the Democrats for getting us down the road towards globalization.

I said Bush Sr. announced the push publicly with his "New World Order" speech. Bill Clinton made NAFTA happen by signing it. Bush Jr. started Patriot Act and established the Department of Homeland Security (laying the groundwork for a secret policing agency). Finally, Obama further strengthened the Patriot Act, and made the NSA's illegal spying of Americans, legal when he pushed Congress to pass a bill, legalizing spying on Americans.

I've said all of this before, but I thought NAFTA was all Bill Clinton. Now I see it wasn't, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he signed it. I also see that Republicans let Americans think it was all Bill Clinton. O.K. I stand corrected. The Republicans, together with the Democrats cursed us with NAFTA.
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Don't forget Democrats created the KKK and fillabustered the civil rights act.

From Wikipedia:


In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan



On June 10, 1964, Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act:


On this day in 1964, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), the Republican Leader in the U.S. Senate, condemned the Democrats’ 57-day filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Leading the Democrats in their opposition to civil rights for African-Americans was Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV). Byrd, who got into politics as a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, spoke against the bill for fourteen straight hours. Democrats still call Robert Byrd “the conscience of the Senate.”

In his speech, Senator Dirksen called on the Democrats to end their filibuster and accept racial equality.


yet the Republican Party seems to be the party of the KKK and Neo-nazis now.
Posted 12/27/16 , edited 12/27/16

ran76 wrote:

yet the Republican Party seems to be the party of the KKK and Neo-nazis now.


Oh all 10,000 or so of them? To me, the Democrat party seems to be the party of Islamic terrorists. That Pulse nightclub dude was a democrat, so
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ran76 wrote:

yet the Republican Party seems to be the party of the KKK and Neo-nazis now.


Oh all 10,000 or so of them? To me, the Democrat party seems to be the party of Islamic terrorists. That Pulse nightclub dude was a democrat, so


And homegrown white terrorists are republicans, your point?
(Timothy McVeigh, wackjobs who kill abortion doctors)
Extremists belong to many varied groups, not just one.
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I hope you get the help you need man. I don't know if anyone has pointed it out to you before but regardless of your opinion on these matters, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with this topic. Do you find yourself thinking about it a lot these days? Does it cover even a quarter of the topics you discuss in a week? This is a very unhealthy trend you're showing and I really think you need to talk to someone about it.

Please don't take my message the wrong way. I really think you need to do a bit of introspection on this matter. Maybe try avoiding this topic for a few weeks and see how you feel about it.
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I'm racist.
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I hope you get the help you need man. I don't know if anyone has pointed it out to you before but regardless of your opinion on these matters, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with this topic. Do you find yourself thinking about it a lot these days? Does it cover even a quarter of the topics you discuss in a week? This is a very unhealthy trend you're showing and I really think you need to talk to someone about it.

Please don't take my message the wrong way. I really think you need to do a bit of introspection on this matter. Maybe try avoiding this topic for a few weeks and see how you feel about it.


The funny thing is I agree with you. He is borderline obsessed, if not completely obsessed with the subject at hand.

It reminds me when I played RuneScape way back in the days. I had 273 days accum gameplay in it... playing anywhere from 3-15 hours a day of it. I never needed to study for Elementary - High School as it was just way too easy... So I let RS devour my life. Everything was about RuneScape. One I dropped the obsession I became much happier.

It looks like to me, he is obsessed and paranoid about the entire thing. There is a conspiracy behind everything. Similar to Lala often.
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AlastorCrow wrote:

I hope you get the help you need man. I don't know if anyone has pointed it out to you before but regardless of your opinion on these matters, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with this topic. Do you find yourself thinking about it a lot these days? Does it cover even a quarter of the topics you discuss in a week? This is a very unhealthy trend you're showing and I really think you need to talk to someone about it.

Please don't take my message the wrong way. I really think you need to do a bit of introspection on this matter. Maybe try avoiding this topic for a few weeks and see how you feel about it.


The funny thing is I agree with you. He is borderline obsessed, if not completely obsessed with the subject at hand.

It reminds me when I played RuneScape way back in the days. I had 273 days accum gameplay in it... playing anywhere from 3-15 hours a day of it. I never needed to study for Elementary - High School as it was just way too easy... So I let RS devour my life. Everything was about RuneScape. One I dropped the obsession I became much happier.

It looks like to me, he is obsessed and paranoid about the entire thing. There is a conspiracy behind everything. Similar to Lala often.


Yeah, I'm really hoping he considers what I'm trying to ask him. It's not easy being consumed by an obsession and often times, people have a tendency to drive away those who try to extend their hand to help. I haven't really been lurking long enough in this place to say for certain but it's definitely a very concerning trend with him and some people.
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AlastorCrow wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:

I hope you get the help you need man. I don't know if anyone has pointed it out to you before but regardless of your opinion on these matters, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with this topic. Do you find yourself thinking about it a lot these days? Does it cover even a quarter of the topics you discuss in a week? This is a very unhealthy trend you're showing and I really think you need to talk to someone about it.

Please don't take my message the wrong way. I really think you need to do a bit of introspection on this matter. Maybe try avoiding this topic for a few weeks and see how you feel about it.


The funny thing is I agree with you. He is borderline obsessed, if not completely obsessed with the subject at hand.

It reminds me when I played RuneScape way back in the days. I had 273 days accum gameplay in it... playing anywhere from 3-15 hours a day of it. I never needed to study for Elementary - High School as it was just way too easy... So I let RS devour my life. Everything was about RuneScape. One I dropped the obsession I became much happier.

It looks like to me, he is obsessed and paranoid about the entire thing. There is a conspiracy behind everything. Similar to Lala often.


Yeah, I'm really hoping he considers what I'm trying to ask him. It's not easy being consumed by an obsession and often times, people have a tendency to drive away those who try to extend their hand to help. I haven't really been lurking long enough in this place to say for certain but it's definitely a very concerning trend with him and some people.


I have been through what I call the 4 stages of CR.

First we had the ANZN era. Then the Magical_Girl (I think her name was) Era, then the Trump Era. Before all this was just a normal anime board.

Each of these were marked by a large change in thinking and a great divide in the populace of CR. One side would be loud, the other side would just pretty much clam up. In each of these eras (minus the normal era) I tended to try to talk for the first month or two... then just gave up. The loud side was just far to extreme for my taste.

There are few users on each side that take it way too far. The people who are infamous in my heart are those who take it well beyond really far. I wont go into naming them. Don't feel like starting a shit storm. Either way, this has become obsessive. Everything is a conspiracy now. It is getting old. My friend jokes about this being the "Epoch of Truth." A parody on the fact that everything now a days is said to be a lie.
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DeadlyOats wrote:Bill Clinton was so proud when he signed it. He made it seem like it was his baby. So I blamed the Democrats. Please recall that in other threads (if you've read my comments there) I attributed both the Republicans and the Democrats for getting us down the road towards globalization..


Ohh, see, I thought the thread was just trying to follow the Trump-policy nitwit-for-tat strategy of "I'M not the 'jerk', YOU'RE the jerk...Jerk!!"
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DeadlyOats wrote:Bill Clinton was so proud when he signed it. He made it seem like it was his baby. So I blamed the Democrats. Please recall that in other threads (if you've read my comments there) I attributed both the Republicans and the Democrats for getting us down the road towards globalization..


Ohh, see, I thought the thread was just trying to follow the Trump-policy nitwit-for-tat strategy of "I'M not the 'jerk', YOU'RE the jerk...Jerk!!"


As far as the Welfare programs go, I stand by what I said. I didn't change my mind about that. All I did was acknowledge that I didn't know NAFTA started with the Republicans, because the Democrats so proudly claimed credit for it. And when it started going so badly, the Republicans kept quiet about their involvement in it.

I didn't say anyone was a jerk.... So, I don't understand your anger... I wasn't calling you any names... ??????
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DeadlyOats wrote:

I didn't say anyone was a jerk.... So, I don't understand your anger... I wasn't calling you any names... ??????


Not anger, just annoyance that "I'm not the 'racist', YOU'RE the racist!" didn't stop with the Trump vs. Hillary campaign.

AAMoF, the chief cause of the Trump-supporter movement the moment seems to be, still fighting the election battles even after it's been over for two months.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

Bill Clinton was so proud when he signed it. He made it seem like it was his baby. So I blamed the Democrats. Please recall that in other threads (if you've read my comments there) I attributed both the Republicans and the Democrats for getting us down the road towards globalization.

I said Bush Sr. announced the push publicly with his "New World Order" speech. Bill Clinton made NAFTA happen by signing it. Bush Jr. started Patriot Act and established the Department of Homeland Security (laying the groundwork for a secret policing agency). Finally, Obama further strengthened the Patriot Act, and made the NSA's illegal spying of Americans, legal when he pushed Congress to pass a bill, legalizing spying on Americans.

I've said all of this before, but I thought NAFTA was all Bill Clinton. Now I see it wasn't, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he signed it. I also see that Republicans let Americans think it was all Bill Clinton. O.K. I stand corrected. The Republicans, together with the Democrats cursed us with NAFTA.


I definitely missed your going after the GOP on that point, but the fact that I didn't see a thread where you'd done so or didn't notice your doing so in a thread I was in isn't any fault of yours. I'll take it a priori that you've done so. And since we've essentially come to the same place on the two parties' present establishments (they're corrupted and need to be replaced) I think that about settles that.

I would, of course, argue that food provisions, housing provisions, tuition free tertiary education for students exhibiting academic merit, unemployment insurance, single-payer healthcare, and other things that Democrats collectively support on paper are valuable and should be pursued/protected, with my own complaint being that the Democratic Party hasn't really seemed to be particularly interested in passionately advocating for them and following through once they're put into place. I don't think that's because they're deliberately trying to keep people poor or dependent on welfare, but rather partly because of the corruption and partly because they've adopted a political strategy of late that prizes compromise and moderation above all else, even when assuming a moderate position undermines what you've set out to accomplish.
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