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all because they let us read Clinton email LOL...

although no one really who it was. Hillary just wants it to be Russians in order to hurt Trump while he takes the office. so Russians it is.
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The Russians know that the democrats are full of shite. The whole world knows this now.
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Just one more thing to put down to add why Obama is a terrible president.
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I grew up in the 60's with Nuke drills when they had ICBM's on Cuban soil. Since then I dont trust them at all.

Their siding and support of Assad ( Syria ) just disgusts me with the teriible death tool of innocent civilians.

And of course stealing Atomic Bomb Secrets for those who dont know or forgot


Julius and Ethel Rosenberg

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were United States citizens who spied for the Soviet Union and were tried, convicted, and executed for conspiracy to commit espionage. They were instrumental in the transmission of information about top-secret military technology and prototypes of mechanisms related to the atomic bomb, which were of value to the Soviet nuclear weapons program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg


Russian's Handi work here ( direct or not )


Malaysia Airlines Flight 17


Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
Boeing 777-2H6ER 9M-MRD Malaysian (6658105143).jpg
9M-MRD, the aircraft shot down, photographed in October 2011
Shootdown summary
Date 17 July 2014
Summary Airliner shootdown
Site Near Hrabove, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine
48°8′17″N 38°38′20″ECoordinates: 48°8′17″N 38°38′20″E
Passengers 283
Crew 15
Fatalities 298 (all)
Survivors 0
Aircraft type Boeing 777-200ER
Operator Malaysia Airlines
Registration 9M-MRD
Flight origin Amsterdam Airport Schiphol
Destination Kuala Lumpur International Airport

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)[a] was a scheduled international passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down on 17 July 2014, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.[2] Contact with the Boeing 777-200ER airliner was lost about 50 km (31 mi) from the Ukraine–Russia border, and it crashed near Torez in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, 40 km (25 mi) from the border. The crash occurred during the Battle in Shakhtarsk Raion, part of the ongoing war in Donbass, in an area controlled by the Donbass People's Militia.[4] The crash is the deadliest airliner shootdown, and was Malaysia Airlines' second aircraft loss during 2014 after MH370.

In October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine. In September 2016, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) confirmed the missile type which had downed the aircraft and said that the Buk missile system had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel controlled area and returned to Russia after the Buk was used to shoot down MH17. The JIT had established the identities of approximately 100 people, witnesses or suspects, who were linked to the transporting of the Buk, but said that their evidence "must stand before a court".

The DSB and JIT findings confirmed earlier claims by American and German intelligence sources and the Ukrainian government as to the missile type and launch area. In 2014, Ukraine and US intelligence had also said that Russia had supplied the Buk missile to pro-Russian insurgents, who had mistakenly shot down the aircraft.[9][10][11][12] Also in 2014, German intelligence sources reported that they believed insurgents had stolen the missile from the Ukrainian military.[13][14][15]

Russian government sources initially claimed that the aircraft was being followed by a Ukrainian military jet at the time of the shootdown[10] and later that Ukraine was responsible since the crash had happened in Ukrainian airspace.[16] Several theories about the crash have since appeared in Russian media, and as of September 2016 the Russian government continues to deny responsibility for the crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17


Another Russian Shootdown ( off course or not )


Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (also known as KAL007 and KE007was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage, Alaska. On September 1, 1983, the South Korean airliner serving the flight was shot down by a Soviet Su-15 interceptor, near Moneron Island west of Sakhalin in the Sea of Japan. The interceptor's pilot was Major Gennadi Osipovich. All 269 passengers and crew aboard were killed, including Larry McDonald, a Representative from Georgia in the United States House of Representatives. The aircraft was en route from Anchorage to Seoul when it flew through Soviet prohibited airspace around the time of a U.S. aerial reconnaissance mission.

The Soviet Union initially denied knowledge of the incident, but later admitted shooting down the aircraft, claiming that it was on a MASINT spy mission.[3] The Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union said it was a deliberate provocation by the United States[4] to test the Soviet Union's military preparedness, or even to provoke a war. The White House accused the Soviet Union of obstructing search and rescue operations.[5] The Soviet Armed Forces suppressed evidence sought by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) investigation, such as the flight data recorders,which were released eight years later after the dissolution of the Soviet Union

The incident was one of the most tense moments of the Cold War and resulted in an escalation of anti-Soviet sentiment, particularly in the United States. The opposing points of view on the incident were never fully resolved; consequently, several groups continue to dispute official reports and offer alternative theories of the event. The subsequent release of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 transcripts and flight recorders by the Russian Federation has clarified some details

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007


Another fine day for the Russian Empire


Korean Air Lines Flight 902

On 20 April 1978, Soviet air defense shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 902 (KAL 902) near Murmansk, Soviet Union, after the civilian aircraft violated Soviet airspace and failed to respond to Soviet ground control and interceptors. Soviet Air Defence Forces initially identified it as part of the US air reconnaissance force, which carried out thousands of flights along Soviet borders annually at the time. Captain Alexander Bosov, pilot of the Sukhoi Su-15 that brought down Flight 902, saw Asian logogram characters on the tail of the Korean aircraft, and reported this to the ground control. Despite this, Vladimir Tsarkov, commander of the 21st Soviet Air Defence Corps, ordered Bosov to take down the plane, as the plane failed to respond to repeated orders to land, and was approaching the Soviet border with Finland. The Su-15 opened fire, forcing the plane to descend, and killing two of the 109 passengers and crew members aboard Flight 902. The plane made an emergency landing on the frozen Korpiyarvi lake (not to be confused with the Korpijärvi lake) near the Finnish border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902



Yea real nice country / not that the US is without faults either.
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FLjerry2011 wrote:
I grew up in the 60's with Nuke drills when they had ICBM's on Cuban soil. Since then I dont trust them at all.


I think this is what truly baffles me about this entire scenario. How did half the country that went through the Cold War suddenly do a 180 on Russia? Let alone start slobbering up to Putin of all people. An alarming chunk of America doesn't appear to have any problem whatsoever with the president elect snuggling up to America's biggest historical geopolitical adversary.

I really don't understand it.
Posted 12/29/16

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FLjerry2011 wrote:
I grew up in the 60's with Nuke drills when they had ICBM's on Cuban soil. Since then I dont trust them at all.


I think this is what truly baffles me about this entire scenario. How did half the country that went through the Cold War suddenly do a 180 on Russia? Let alone start slobbering up to Putin of all people. An alarming chunk of America doesn't appear to have any problem whatsoever with the president elect snuggling up to America's biggest historical geopolitical adversary.

I really don't understand it.


Maybe because that's actually not the case? Putin said something nice about trump and Trump returned the compliment. Trump didn't smack his head on the floor bowing and apologizing to our enemies. That was Obama.
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The USSR and Russian Federation are two entirely different countries. It's like hating the Germans because of the Nazis. Personally I think we should turn a new page and stop antagonizing them so much.

As for the "hacking", it's nothing new. Anyone could've done it, and there's no hard evidence that the Russians did it. In their report, they merely gave a list of Russian civilian and military intelligence services. The CIA recommends gems such as "don't click weird e-mails", "don't give everyone admin privileges" and "pay attention to the URL" from their big investigation. Not to be rude to the computer illiterate, but isn't this common sense?
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all because they let us read Clinton email LOL...

although no one really who it was. Hillary just wants it to be Russians in order to hurt Trump while he takes the office. so Russians it is.


No less than 5 foreign intelligence agencies have hacked into her e-mail server and Anthony Weiner had a full copy of everything because Hillary synced her e-mail up with his PC at one point then forgot to log out or change the password. Somehow I think a great many people had access to her e-mails.
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As an American, I find it hard to get mad about this Russian hacking when the US has been meddling in other countries' affairs to further its own agenda for decades. Turnabout is not only fair play, it's to be expected.
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For fucks sake the Yanks and the Russians have been at each other since before the time of our great grandfather's time. What is it about each other the Yanks and the Russians find so fascinating about each other? So much so that a decades long cold war fuelled by proxy wars fought in countries neither side could point out without the help of google turned into a even colder intelligence war.

Can't Putin and the current leadership of America simply settle their differences in a MMA cage. The rest of us are sick and tired of this century old bullshit already.
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I just want to be friends with Russia, please.

I'm not sure why, tbh.
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It's scary how much of the right wing has warmed up to Russia, even before Trump. For years "Putin is a stronger leader" on fox news and such things were told. If MSNBC or someone with a (D) said half this stuff they been charged and strung up by the rightwing as tratiors by now. Yet because Trump has a (R) and not a (D) so it's ignored. Because Trump has an (R) McConnell is trying to bury any probe. Fuck Sake Trumps latest excuse/statement summeried to " Move on Computers have complicated lives". LOL WAT? Didn't know we broke the full ai barrier.
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On the one hand, retaliatory measures should be expected if there are infractions, but on the other hand, I have to question this form of retaliation. Kicking out diplomats? "Who needs diplomacy, amirite?"

It seems like little more than giving someone the silent treatment in an argument, rather than hashing it out between the two of you. The proper response to a threat shouldn't be "fine, we're not talking to you then." For one, it closes discourse, but secondly, it doesn't really solve the problem at hand. They hack us, we hack them, seems reasonable. I could even understand things like economic sanctions and the like, although I'd still have problems with that. But this doesn't really seem to do anything helpful, to my eyes at least.

On the other hand, there's not a whole lot a president can do on his own in this situation, and this pointless, lukewarm response might actually be the harshest thing a lone president is capable of, within reason.

On the third hand (I've borrowed some other hands for this demonstration), we haven't seen direct evidence that the Russians were involved (to my current knowledge at least) so the whole thing might not even be their fault. I'll err on the side of our investigative bureaus for the time being, but they've been known to fuck up and involve themselves in politics before, so who knows?

At any rate, this will likely be reversed in a few weeks anyway, so fuck it. I'll just get some popcorn. The diplomats might as well think of this as a nice vacation. Take the month off, guys!
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FLjerry2011 wrote:

I grew up in the 60's with Nuke drills when they had ICBM's on Cuban soil. Since then I dont trust them at all.

Their siding and support of Assad ( Syria ) just disgusts me with the teriible death tool of innocent civilians.

And of course stealing Atomic Bomb Secrets for those who dont know or forgot

Yea real nice country / not that the US is without faults either.


Don't forget the vacuous conditions which it lead in the middle east that allowed Muslim extremism to establish itself in the later half of the 1900's.
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