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Is President Obama self-destructing?
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tbh i would be making fun of Russia also they are dickheads and imo should not be Americas best buddies.


I want Putin to adopt me.
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Obama is just getting in some last minute looting and pillaging before he leaves.
Most tyrants do that.


so we can look foward to Trump doing it also?
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Yeah, he's having a complete shitfit on the way out the door. He is increasing laws at an insane rate behind the scenes as well.



You mean doing his job by signing bills into laws(Which the Legislature passed, by the way)? Pretty sure that's part of the job description of PotUS.


Not without his add-ons to each bill. Too bad you aren't allowed to vote in our elections eh?


Are you still on that falsehood? Give it up. I'm legally allowed to vote for PotUS even if I live in PR.

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Xxanthar wrote:

Obama is just getting in some last minute looting and pillaging before he leaves.
Most tyrants do that.


so we can look foward to Trump doing it also?


Trump barely knows how the government works. This is a man that thinks 4>5 when it comes to the Supreme Court.
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ran76 wrote:

Are you still on that falsehood? Give it up. I'm legally allowed to vote for PotUS even if I live in PR.



No, you are not.

Voting rights of United States citizens in Puerto Rico, like the voting rights of residents of other United States territories, differ from those of United States citizens in each of the fifty states and the District of Columbia. Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President. The United States Constitution grants congressional voting representation to U.S. states, which Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories are not, specifying that members of Congress shall be elected by direct popular vote and that the President and the Vice President shall be elected by electors chosen by the States.
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Does the mods want proof that said person wrote those stories? Or are you going to claim that you had no idea?
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Just start a movement to garner Republican support in Puerto Rico and VZ68 would support your right to vote ran76. xD
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ran76 wrote:

Are you still on that falsehood? Give it up. I'm legally allowed to vote for PotUS even if I live in PR.



No, you are not.



Lol. Actually, he is - depending on how he handles his residency. He can live in Puerto Rico and have legal residency in another state of the United States - where he would simply cast a ballot as an absentee voter. Though, if you're claiming legal residency in PR - you cannot vote. You're still a US citizen, just not a state that has voting power in such elections. But hey, loopholes are there for people to exploit - that's what makes Trump so great, he knows which loopholes to exploit in the government that he's the figurehead for (/s).

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I don't see Obama as "self-destructing". This seems like pretty much any other president during the midnight hour of their term. Republicans really forced their hands in some states by exploiting the ability to pass midnight laws/legislature (especially in the state of North Carolina) to avoid the democratic governors/representatives/otherwise from undoing their "reign of Republican power". Democrats do it too, actually.

It's kind of a tradition when you begin to phase out from your role that you'll do anything you couldn't normally get away with because voters can't really complain now that you're not going to be around for their complaints and the person you lost to will have to deal with their cries of frustration. Trump will do the same thing whenever his term (whether four or eight years) is up, I assure you.

Clarification: I mean that Trump will definitely attempt to make it troublesome for his predecessor to "undo" the things that he does in the last few months of his term. It's kind of what politicians and businessmen (CEOs on their way out) try to do.


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Just start a movement to garner Republican support in Puerto Rico and VZ68 would support your right to vote ran76. xD


I would not.

I do no support Puerto Rico for statehood, and I believe we should cut them completely loose, and remove ourselves from their Island.
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VZ68 wrote:


ran76 wrote:

Are you still on that falsehood? Give it up. I'm legally allowed to vote for PotUS even if I live in PR.



No, you are not.



Lol. Actually, he is - depending on how he handles his residency. He can live in Puerto Rico and have legal residency in another state of the United States - where he would simply cast a ballot as an absentee voter. Though, if you're claiming legal residency in PR - you cannot vote. You're still a US citizen, just not a state that has voting power in such elections. But hey, loopholes are there for people to exploit - that's what makes Trump so great, he knows which loopholes to exploit in the government that he's the figurehead for (/s).

On Topic:

I don't see Obama as "self-destructing". This seems like pretty much any other president during the midnight hour of their term. Republicans really forced their hands in some states by exploiting the ability to pass midnight laws/legislature (especially in the state of North Carolina) to avoid the democratic governors/representatives/otherwise from undoing their "reign of Republican power". Democrats do it too, actually.

It's kind of a tradition when you begin to phase out from your role that you'll do anything you couldn't normally get away with because voters can't really complain now that you're not going to be around for their complaints and the person you lost to will have to deal with their cries of frustration. Trump will do the same thing whenever his term (whether four or eight years) is up, I assure you.

Clarification: I mean that Trump will definitely attempt to make it troublesome for his predecessor to "undo" the things that he does in the last few months of his term. It's kind of what politicians and businessmen (CEOs on their way out) try to do.




That would be illegal since he lives and works in Puerto Rico.

Posted 12/31/16 , edited 1/1/17

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That would be illegal since he lives and works in Puerto Rico.



Another thing that depends primarily on his place of business and his residency status. There is a semi-legal way of voting in such elections in PR - just that it requires traversing in the gray area of the law (exploiting known loopholes to vote when you really shouldn't have the ability to do so). I know of several Trump and Clinton supporters that exploited this gray area; just because they wanted to brag about having voted for someone they agreed with.

It also doesn't help that Puerto Ricans are basically trying to claim that they deserve to be the 51st state - so they believe they automatically should have the "right" to vote for the POTUS.
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Just start a movement to garner Republican support in Puerto Rico and VZ68 would support your right to vote ran76. xD


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VZ68 wrote:


ran76 wrote:


VZ68 wrote:

Yeah, he's having a complete shitfit on the way out the door. He is increasing laws at an insane rate behind the scenes as well.



You mean doing his job by signing bills into laws(Which the Legislature passed, by the way)? Pretty sure that's part of the job description of PotUS.


Not without his add-ons to each bill. Too bad you aren't allowed to vote in our elections eh?


The president can only sign a bill the way it's given to him. He cannot alter it. If he hates a single part of the bill enough, the only thing he can do is veto the bill, and send it back to congress.
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That would be illegal since he lives and works in Puerto Rico.



Another thing that depends primarily on his place of business and his residency status. There is a semi-legal way of voting in such elections in PR - just that it requires traversing in the gray area of the law (exploiting known loopholes to vote when you really shouldn't have the ability to do so). I know of several Trump and Clinton supporters that exploited this gray area; just because they wanted to brag about having voted for someone they agreed with.

It also doesn't help that Puerto Ricans are basically trying to claim that they deserve to be the 51st state - so they believe they automatically should have the "right" to vote for the POTUS.


And this is why we need stronger voting laws. If I have to show ID and fill out a 4473 in order to buy a firearm from a dealer, then I should have to show ID to vote.
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VZ68 wrote:

And this is why we need stronger voting laws. If I have to show ID and fill out a 4473 in order to buy a firearm from a dealer, then I should have to show ID to vote.


We need a lot of things, personally. Gun control is a totally different topic; as I believe in the right to own one, but also believe that it should be treated like a vehicle (take a "learners" course and/or pass a practical exam regarding safety and handling of firearms). Not trying to divert the topic entirely.. just since firearms came up, may as well..

Voting needs to be more secure on all fronts. ID isn't going to be enough without some centralized database that handles a number of votes that a person's ID has cast (there would be ways of getting around having to show ID). There would also need to be infrastructure security (network and so forth) to avoid external or internal hacks. As it stands, we use either voting machines that are antiquated (technology wise) or paper votes that don't require any form of identification to utilize.

As for the PR thing - I would rather just give them official status so that they wouldn't feel obliged (or tempted) to go through these loopholes in order to vote for someone that has authority over their area. Washington DC has done similar in the past (to be able to vote), so no harm in doing the same for PR and similar locations. Or, on the other hand, one could find arguments to simply cut all ties with such territories and avoid all of the officialness; but would cause a cluster fluff altogether when thinking about the paperwork required to determine how to "cancel" their citizenship status.
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