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Posted 1/1/17 , edited 1/2/17

AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:





having a guest access --where you set up an ssid and password for guests to use is not like having guns stolen either



imo.. the best example is using free wi-fi at public places or private businesses-- where access to the internet were provided to guests/customers..

if your customers downloaded illegal materials? what then ? ban the business' account ?

it looks like an on going battle..





Except those businesses leave their wifi password free and only have you login via a web-portal, unlike a guest qifi where you need the password and ssid. The only way they'd be able to get on your wifi is by you giving them the keys to the wifi. At that point whatever happens can be on you unless you can prove that the computer it was downloaded on is not yours which can be a little slippery (i'd think) because proving ownership can be hard to do.

I think its a guilty til' proven innocent thing going on.
Posted 1/1/17 , edited 1/2/17

AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:
no offense.. but being a gun owner myself.. that example was a horrible one.. since i don't allow anyone to use my guns

having a guest access --where you set up an ssid and password for guests to use is not like having guns stolen either

when your guns are stolen who would not report it right away ?


My whole point is that you're oblivious to the idea that someone is on your network that's downloading illegal files. If someone stole your gun without you realizing it, then perpetrated a crime - that's a similar line of thought. There are quite a lot of gun owners who have little to no clue about the importance of taking care of your gun and ensuring that it's in your possession. Many people in the US simply purchase guns for safety/defense and never check their hiding place until something important happens. That's why the example made more sense than the one you opted for. =P


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imo.. the best example is using free wi-fi at public places or private businesses-- where access to the internet were provided to guests/customers..

if your customers downloaded illegal materials? what then ? ban the business' account ?

it looks like an on going battle..


Let's look at it like this:

You're an owner of an Internet Cafe in New York City. You have 50 different desktops configured and set up but do not have any filters or firewalls in place that prevents users from downloading torrents (including, but not limited to, films that are copyrighted). If I come into your Internet Cafe and download Sully, you're going to get the DMCA notice from your ISP informing you that your account has been suspended due to downloading copyrighted material.

As you've experienced, the ISP will often turn a blind eye in cases where the end-user hasn't secured their network (at least the first time). Repeated offenses will only have the ISP assume that you're the culprit that's downloading the illegal material. So the natural process at this point - either in the example above or in your own situation - is to simply secure your network. At the Internet Cafe example, you should utilize something free like Handy Cafe or purchase TrueCafé... or find a more professional solution that will protect your network from downloading traffic that will cause you to have a DMCA notice from your ISP. In your situation, your responsibility is simple to secure the Guest WiFi network or turn it off altogether.

As someone mentioned: you're the network administrator of your network, thus responsible for any traffic on it.

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Our laws don't match up with common sense when it comes to the internet or IT in general. These politicians barely understand how to use e-mails and were asking them to make laws on that thing they don't understand.
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JohnnyOmaha wrote:

Suggestion: password protect your wifi and only let very trusted friends/family know the password. tell them not to download anything or do anything illegal..that should solve your problem.


Absolutely: If you use your own router (and not the one that the cable company condescendingly socks you with, because they convinced you you can't get Wi-fi anywhere else), there's a routine program in the setup that will establish a lock password.
Very handy if you live in an apartment or dorm, where twenty neighbors of your same relative age all have overlapping Wi-fi hotspots.


AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

from what i learned.. so what's the point of downloading movies when you can stream the movies illegal anyway ?


...You ARE joking, right?

(What's the point of watching Anime commercial-free on your living-room set through a premium CR subscription, when you can watch it illegally on a blown-up YouTube box with dodgy subtitles and twenty-four bandwidth-sapping ads and malware pop-ups on a pirate site?)

Me, I've never really understood what's the point of downloading movies, period, unless it's winter and I can't get out to the library.
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The ISP doesn't know it's not you doing it. If you can prove that you gave your password out you enabled a thief. If there's a fatality hit and run in your car you loaned out the police don't know you weren't the driver. It's YOUR car of course you would be the first person they contact.
Posted 1/1/17 , edited 1/2/17
Oh, so your account was suspended without so much as a notification? That's f*cked up, and is the first thing that I think ought to be sorted out. Talk about shit customer service. In you're position, I'd have more than half a mind to switch my Internet provider over that. Even CR sends notices via PM, regarding bans. That's sad.
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aeb0717 wrote:

Oh, so your account was suspended without so much as a notification? That's f*cked up, and is the first thing that I think ought to be sorted out. Talk about shit customer service. In you're position, I'd have more than half a mind to switch my Internet provider over that. Even CR sends notices via PM, regarding bans. That's sad.


Then again...it was from Warner. The most neurotically f***ed-up studio in Hollywood, which at one point a few years ago decided that the reason their movies weren't doing as well as they thought they would was "All those nasty Internet movie pirates out there watching it first!", and decided to go medieval on that mysterious, shadowy boogieman that all the industry fears but has never seen, once they thought they'd found a Really one for Real.

Check out their anti-piracy PSA on the disks, and it's....pretty scary stuff compared to the tamer ones by the other studios:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0IEB1D3gYM
(I'm not advocating piracy, I'm just pointing out: This is a deeply and psychologically TROUBLED studio. )
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The Capitalists use this copyright laws in their political tactics. They contradict their free trade policy by putting heavy economic sanction on anime and manga to protect the oligopoly of the large noncompetitive American cartoon industries. This economic sanction encourage illegal import of anime so the Capitalists allow free streaming of anime online to make anime industries go bankrupt. The Capitalists use their hacked accounts to blame this bankruptcy on the individual choice of anime consumers but this cause more contradiction to the Capitalist ideology: according to Adam Smith, human work for their own personal benefits and the Capitalists should be blamed for the bankruptcy of the anime companies for setting up puppet government officers to intervene in the economy.
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Ejanss wrote:


Check out their anti-piracy PSA on the disks, and it's....pretty scary stuff compared to the tamer ones by the other studios:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0IEB1D3gYM
(I'm not advocating piracy, I'm just pointing out: This is a deeply and psychologically TROUBLED studio. )


Wow. What a heavy-handed abuse of their own property, beloved by so many.



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Posted 1/2/17 , edited 1/2/17
side note: i remember reading how that "don't pirate" commercial itself was a violation of song copyright. the very people who advocate against piracy/copyright violation violated copyright themselves. companies are going the wrong way in tackling piracy, but that's another story.
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I looked it up.... you guys are right.. Tor is a browser..

https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

http://lifehacker.com/what-is-tor-and-should-i-use-it-1527891029

i learned about VPN.. apparently Opera has it built in their browser for free... i don't see VPN option in Firefox though.. i think you have to install it as add ons..

https://torrentfreak.com/i-know-what-you-downloaded-on-bittorrent-161223/

whatever the reason behind the ban was.. now i learned a lof of stuff that i didn't know before.. i guess i have to give thanks to Warner..



namealreadytaken wrote:

side note: i remember reading how that "don't pirate" commercial itself was a violation of song copyright. the very people who advocate against piracy/copyright violation violated copyright themselves. companies are going the wrong way in tackling piracy, but that's another story.



https://torrentfreak.com/prenda-copyright-trolls-arrested-and-charged-with-fraud-and-extortion-161216/


it's a long on going battle.. some of these copyright trolls crossed the line


this article brought up a good point.. since the last movie i saw in theater was Assassin Creed (12/27/2016)..$13.50 per ticket..

i don't remember seeing the respect copyright logo at the front of the movie anymore.. i guess they got a lot of slashbacks that they stopped including it at the beginning of a movie at theaters/cinemas


https://torrentfreak.com/pirates-you-can-click-but-you-cant-can-hide-170101/








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You are responsible for what happens on your own IP address, plain and simple. If it happens over your network ISP then they're going to contact whoever owns that ISP, no matter who actually did the downloading. This is why my wireless router is password protected, and has been ever since my brother set it up for his own use back years ago when we lived somewhere else, and it still is to this day. And why we only let trusted family and friends use the password for it to connect to it. If you have an open network that's not password protected at all, anyone can have access to it, including neighbors and random people that walk or drive by. So who's to stop someone with their laptop or tablet walking by and stopping to download something when they have a random network to connect to and they know that they won't get caught because it's not their network, or for a neighbor to do the same thing for the same reason? Password protect the guest network, as others have been suggesting, and only give the password to those you trust and want to have access to the network and no one else. Problem solved.
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Always lock your doors. Always secure your Wi-Fi. And use the most sophistcated encryption you can. Forget about copyright infringement, you need to make sure someone can't just hack your whole network and steal all your private info. Now back to the copyright issue...

Let's suppose someone sued you for copyright infringement. Depending the laws where you are they may succeed or fail. In the US they would have to prove that you did it, which is tough and you could probably get away with it. Okay so you're mostly untouchable as far as being sued by Hollywood for copyright infringement.

However, the ISP can and will suspend your service because your probably violated the terms of service. If you're in the USA, there's something called DMCA which also allows Hollywood to sue ISP's if they do not take actions to prevent copyright infringement. That is, even though you didn't do anything and the ISP didn't do anything, both you and the ISP are vectors and indirectly contributed to copyright infringement. You can be sued for not preventing copyright infringement from taking place through you. In other words, once the ISP gets a notice from Hollywood, or you get a notice from your ISP, you must do something! At that point, if you do not put a password on your Wi-Fi, then you can get in trouble. The first DMCA notices by themselves may not immediately result in any action, but if you don't correct whatever you did wrongly then don't be surprised when you get into a real lawsuit.

Okay so if you get a million DMCA notices and don't do anything then you're probably dead meat.

Bottom line, protect you WiFi.
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

i thought my internet was down because of the rain.. but nope.. my internet provider decided to suspend my account .. the reason?

"we got a report from Warner for downloading Sully"



So I guess they got a timestamp to link to your IP (at the time)?

How many people come to your house for that long of a time to want to download movies? I guess somebody was staying overnight and got really bored and don't want to go to sleep??
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

i thought my internet was down because of the rain.. but nope.. my internet provider decided to suspend my account .. the reason?

"we got a report from Warner for downloading Sully"



So I guess they got a timestamp to link to your IP (at the time)?

How many people come to your house for that long of a time to want to download movies? I guess somebody was staying overnight and got really bored and don't want to go to sleep??


If he has an open network that's not password protected, anyone in the connection area can connect to it easily, including neighbors and those walking or driving by. And if you're a neighbor, like in another apartment in the building, then you could easily download something on your computer, laptop, tablet, whatever can connect to the internet that has download capabilities, using that ISP rather then their own, so why not? And if someone walking or driving by who has the time, especially if there's a strong connection or it's downloading fast, then why not for them as well? If you leave a network open, you're asking for all sorts of trouble.

Unless of course you were being sarcastic or joking, which in that case, carry on.
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