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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

i thought my internet was down because of the rain.. but nope.. my internet provider decided to suspend my account .. the reason?

"we got a report from Warner for downloading Sully"



So I guess they got a timestamp to link to your IP (at the time)?

How many people come to your house for that long of a time to want to download movies? I guess somebody was staying overnight and got really bored and don't want to go to sleep??


If he has an open network that's not password protected, anyone in the connection area can connect to it easily, including neighbors and those walking or driving by. And if you're a neighbor, like in another apartment in the building, then you could easily download something on your computer, laptop, tablet, whatever can connect to the internet that has download capabilities, using that ISP rather then their own, so why not? And if someone walking or driving by who has the time, especially if there's a strong connection or it's downloading fast, then why not for them as well? If you leave a network open, you're asking for all sorts of trouble.

Unless of course you were being sarcastic or joking, which in that case, carry on.


...I thought he had a password for his guest network? That's what I read from his post...
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Except those businesses leave their wifi password free and only have you login via a web-portal, unlike a guest qifi where you need the password and ssid. The only way they'd be able to get on your wifi is by you giving them the keys to the wifi. At that point whatever happens can be on you unless you can prove that the computer it was downloaded on is not yours which can be a little slippery (i'd think) because proving ownership can be hard to do.

I think its a guilty til' proven innocent thing going on.


free public wi-fi locations .. like public libraries-- have no password and there's no portal to log into-- you can take a laptop to a library (you can stay in your car if you like) if you can pick up their access point .. you can get online after connecting.. it's pretty easy....so i'm not sure how the ISP are dealing with people going there downloading illegal materials--


and then you also have

guest access/pass provided by small/private businesses .. they will have a sign available with SSID and password available for people coming inside the business... you can not connect to their wi-fi without the information they provided inside.. i don't know a lot of small businesses that will provide wi-fi without a password before..

yup.. they are doing the opposite of what our justice system is based on..

anyway.. i doubt they will go any further than the threat to suspend my internet account -- from all the cases i read so far were against notorious pirates-- i doubt they would waste a lot of money against me over 1 movie that i didn't even know about..

you can sue people for pretty much anything in this country.. but if you can win or willing to waste money to go through with it or not is something else..

btw.. is Sully a good movie? i didn't know about the movie until they told me about it..
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

free public wi-fi locations .. like public libraries-- have no password and there's no portal to log into-- you can take a laptop to a library (you can stay in your car if you like) if you can pick up their access point .. you can get online after connecting.. it's pretty easy....so i'm not sure how the ISP are dealing with people going there downloading illegal materials--


and then you also have

guest access/pass provided by small/private businesses .. they will have a sign available with SSID and password available for people coming inside the business... you can not connect to their wi-fi without the information they provided inside.. i don't know a lot of small businesses that will provide wi-fi without a password before..

I can't speak to all of them, of course, but it's pretty standard practice to have Net Nanny type software to prevent access to illegal or pornographic material on public / business networks. They also typically block the ports used by most peer-to-peer networks to prevent you from using things like torrents.
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

guest wi-fi is not wi-fi with no password though..

my guest wi-fi is like those free wi-fi at a business

when someone comes in.. they can see the ssid and password (for guests) if they want to use the internet while there..

of course there's no stopping a guest from continuing to use the wi-fi for something illegal..



i know what you are talking about. I stopped by a local car repair shop and saw this

The thought of them going after people downloading CAM version is hilarious. If there are people who are willing to watch CAM version of the net, i'm pretty sure it's not really worth suing them for

"millions of dollars wasted" well.. don't spend it on suing people who have little/no money

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And it all started happening after Net Neutrality got passed, interesting.
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Posted 2/11/17 , edited 3/27/17

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And it all started happening after Net Neutrality got passed, interesting.


Cease and Desist letters have been around for years prior to net neutrality, had a friend that got one for downloading FMA back around 07' IIRC.

The copyright holders have started squeezing ISPs not intrinsically linked to publishers by threatening lawsuits to hold them accountable for their subscriber. This is why "three strikes" got adopted by a lot of ISPs to help remove the target on them. Those that have publishing arms are actually more aggressive in general out the door (Warner and Comcast for example).

Net Neutrality actually would do things like disallowing throttling of traffic unless of QoS purposes. So for example, throttling torrent traffic simply because it's from a torrent would be disallowed.

As for the "public/guest" wifi argument by OP.

It's civil concerns you are concerned about. Your ISP can disallow access to you if they choose based on their subscribe agreements without due process. You can be taken to court, and have a chance of getting out unscathed as more legal systems are becoming familiar with the concept that an IP address is not a person in the US (you mention Time Warner so I'm assuming you're in the US). The ISP can cut the cord though.

In comparison, the FBI would be knocking on your door for other certain illegal items, would take all electronics that use internet, and would evaluate evidence to see if they can build a case. With unprotected access, likely no encryption, and a decent history of deleted files (no HDD scrubbing) they'll likely agree it was someone attached to your wireless. They may attempt to keep your property for extended evaluation and evidence though which would require replacing equipment which you'd not be reimbursed for. Equally, they may still attempt to charge you so do be wary of that fact - in that situation it will be up to the courts and whether you have a technically competent lawyer, judge, and jury (if the judge does not toss it out).

The ISP will not cut your internet for the latter one though without a court order.
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I got one way back in the day for downloading bleach on bit torrent even though it was unlicensed at the time but was considered a grey market this was when it was changing from grey to black market. Sadly content providers have no understanding of what todays consumers want or what format they want it in. As far as I know no one has been arrested for copyright notices you can ask on dslreports.com but I am pretty sure of it. I would just ignore it and do a firmware upgrade and reset your password to WPA2 with AES and replace any older devices that cant use it.
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gsm642 wrote:

I got one way back in the day for downloading bleach on bit torrent even though it was unlicensed at the time but was considered a grey market this was when it was changing from grey to black market. Sadly content providers have no understanding of what todays consumers want or what format they want it in. [b] As far as I know no one has been arrested for copyright notices you can ask on dslreports.com but I am pretty sure of it.
I would just ignore it and do a firmware upgrade and reset your password to WPA2 with AES and replace any older devices that cant use it.

after several warnings they will disconnect your service.. from what i read.. they will usually go after the uploaders not downloaders

so now just stream instead of downloading..

that aside.. blu-ray and legit sources are still better when it comes to quality though

I saw John Wick chapter 2 in theater yesterday!! i can't wait for the movie on blu-ray!!
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PingSock wrote:

And it all started happening after Net Neutrality got passed, interesting.


Cease and Desist letters have been around for years prior to net neutrality, had a friend that got one for downloading FMA back around 07' IIRC.

The copyright holders have started squeezing ISPs not intrinsically linked to publishers by threatening lawsuits to hold them accountable for their subscriber. This is why "three strikes" got adopted by a lot of ISPs to help remove the target on them. Those that have publishing arms are actually more aggressive in general out the door (Warner and Comcast for example).

Net Neutrality actually would do things like disallowing throttling of traffic unless of QoS purposes. So for example, throttling torrent traffic simply because it's from a torrent would be disallowed.

As for the "public/guest" wifi argument by OP.

It's civil concerns you are concerned about. Your ISP can disallow access to you if they choose based on their subscribe agreements without due process. You can be taken to court, and have a chance of getting out unscathed as more legal systems are becoming familiar with the concept that an IP address is not a person in the US (you mention Time Warner so I'm assuming you're in the US). The ISP can cut the cord though.

In comparison, the FBI would be knocking on your door for other certain illegal items, would take all electronics that use internet, and would evaluate evidence to see if they can build a case. With unprotected access, likely no encryption, and a decent history of deleted files (no HDD scrubbing) they'll likely agree it was someone attached to your wireless. They may attempt to keep your property for extended evaluation and evidence though which would require replacing equipment which you'd not be reimbursed for. Equally, they may still attempt to charge you so do be wary of that fact - in that situation it will be up to the courts and whether you have a technically competent lawyer, judge, and jury (if the judge does not toss it out).

The ISP will not cut your internet for the latter one though without a court order.


That's very informative thank you.

So why is Net Neutrality necessary? Why aren't there more competitors springing up who provide internet services which don't regulate the internet? Who simply provide a service.
Are these copyright holders gaining momentum against the ISPs in the courts? Are they getting favorable rulings in the court system? Why aren't people migrating to those companies who don't cut their internet services? Does this mean that wifi hotspots are a thing of the past? If those who provide them get throttled and sued in court?
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I got one like 8-10 years ago, never heard anything more about it. It figured it was my fault so improve security so it doesn't happen again
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PingSock wrote:

So why is Net Neutrality necessary?


Network neutrality is to protect competition. Specifically, let's take a look at Crunchyroll for example. You like being able to stream their content, correct? You request the content from Crunchyroll, you expect that if you pay your ISP it will get delivered to you properly (reasonable speed to be watchable) right?

Net Neutrality is effectively stating this: unless it's for Quality of Service network management (which can be technically defined) you cannot prioritize or diminish traffic a consumer requests. I use cable for my interent, but don't subscribe to TV. Let's say they call me up and offer me a TV package and I shoot them down. They may throttle CR in an attempt to push me into subscribing to the anime network, may extort additional funds from CR to give them "priority", loosen up constraints if I subscribe to their service, or may turn around and ask me to pay to prioritize specific content on my connection. Without net neutrality this behavior isn't defined as illegal.

Hulu, Netflix, and other streaming solutions are chewing into profit margins of cable companies and they are desperate to look relevant beyond being a basic service provider.


Why aren't there more competitors springing up who provide internet services which don't regulate the internet?


A few reasons, but the largest is the established players make it difficult to enter a market. Look into issues and legal battles Google has had to go through with their fiber installs. Some cities sign agreements with companies that makes it difficult for others to lay their own lines or use existing ones. Just taking a look at Google having trouble and their size, it shouldn't be hard to understand why a small startup would get squashed in effectively frivolous trials and red tape.


Are these copyright holders gaining momentum against the ISPs in the courts? Are they getting favorable rulings in the court system?


Yes. If an ISP does not terminate an account which they believe to be in violation DMCA safe harbor laws may not apply. There was a ruling in 2015 against Cox for $25 mil. which they are appealing.


Why aren't people migrating to those companies who don't cut their internet services?


Because they don't exist due to the latest court case. We're still waiting on the appeal case last I checked.


Does this mean that wifi hotspots are a thing of the past? If those who provide them get throttled and sued in court?


Place of business is likely to get safe harbor if they take basic precautions in an attempt to defer it. Same with universities and the like. To get around such systems anyway would likely protect you on a home connection regardless so it becomes a non-point.

The rights holders are going after the ISP because they actually have pockets and believe it's easier to use them to cut the connection to the end user than sue the end user directly. The reason for this is they've wrongly identified IP addresses in the past which hurt their credibility, most end users don't have pockets worth suing over, and it can be difficult to prove the defendant has committed the crime - courts have started wising up to the fact that an IP address is not linked to a person but is only an address. Based on this they have shifted their tactics for the following reasons:

Due to how the cases are presented it's assumed that all C&D are factually valid.

ISPs must follow safe harbor laws to not be held liable.

The pockets are deep enough on an ISP to make sueing worthwhile.

It's easy for them to prove whether guidelines for safe harbor are being followed based on their "findings".


Net Neutrality has no bearing on copyright law, DMCA, and safe harbor. They are entirely different issues. Net neutrality DOES however prevent throttling of traffic, such as VPN, bittorrent, or streams from many legitimate sources - and that's important.
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you are right TorrentFreak is a good site for news relating to these copyright stuff

Not Warning Kid About Piracy Makes Father Liable, Court Rules
https://torrentfreak.com/not-warning-kid-about-piracy-makes-father-liable-court-rules-100303/

Kids Shouldn’t Use the Internet, Russia’s Site-Blocking Chief Says
https://torrentfreak.com/russias-site-blocking-chief-kids-shouldnt-use-the-internet-170218/

Study: 70% of Young Swedish Men Are Video Pirates
https://torrentfreak.com/study-70-of-young-swedish-men-are-video-pirates-170217/

UK Govt Refuses to Back Down Over Criminalization of File-Sharers
https://torrentfreak.com/uk-govt-refuses-to-back-down-over-criminalization-of-file-sharers-170306/


this is the thing.. they don't know who did it. beside the IP address.. which is why they have the warning/strike system in place

don't just pay these copyright trolls just because of their threats

BitTorrent Expert Report Slams Movie Piracy Evidence
https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-expert-report-slams-movie-piracy-evidence-170210/





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Posted 3/18/17 , edited 3/18/17
i think another user already mentioned this https://www.torproject.org/

if you download via Bittorent they will still track you.. people should just stream then they don't have to worry about it

if you have T-mobile, they are giving out $2 movie tickets next Tuesday

when it's $2-$4 for a movie ticket . it's hard to pass + there's really no reason to pirate either..

if there are people out there who are downloading CAM version of movies eh.. it's not worth suing them over if they can tolerate the crappy video quality of cam.. i doubt you can get anything out of them from a lawsuit..




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Sucks to be you lol my always works


?? what copyright infringement notices? you send DMCA notices to google on a daily basis or something?
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