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I notice that none of the right-leaning vocal commentators are posting in here, probably because they can't come up with any kind of defense for this.


Why defend what I don't believe should be defended?


Let's say that one or two of the committees are set to investigate something important, like the Russian hackings for example.

Then, what those same members did kind of far back (as far as 2005, and yes, it's members from both Dem and Repub) is suddenly under investigation.

Don't this strike anyone as a case of "funny timing"?
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Ocale wrote:


MadBovine wrote:

I notice that none of the right-leaning vocal commentators are posting in here, probably because they can't come up with any kind of defense for this.


Why defend what I don't believe should be defended?


I think he was referring to one of our resident hyper partisan swamp creatures.
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Those of you who read the article did notice this part?


The new rules also would bar investigators from reviewing anonymous complaints against lawmakers.


Part of any ethics hotline is the ability to provide information anonymously, to avoid potential reprisal. It is standard practice in the business world to do this.

'Draining the swamp' does not mean removing barriers to make it larger.
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Way to set the tone for the year, Congress.
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In all honesty, I would trust climate data on Canadian servers more then US ones right now. I am all for this. I see this reign as somewhat of an anti-science presidency. It scares me and a lot of other doctors, scientists and engineers. There have been at least one protest by scientists recently. I will look for the link tomorrow.

Edit: It will take some digging. It didn't make headline news as it was peaceful and only about 1,500 or so scientists.


I can believe that, but our recent administrations haven't been all that pro-science either. So hearing that another first world country, the one that refers to itself as the "leader of the free world" trust their research more with us than with their own government makes me pretty sad.

Then again, we did get rid of Harper finally, so things could be getting better.
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I can't even believe this. People are reacting exceedingly positively to this on social medoa and shit. Why? Okay, maybe I'm being a bit too harsh, I mean it's not like this is the kind of behaviour you would see out of a super corrupt country like, say, Brazil. Oh wait, yes it is.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_584195a6e4b0c68e04805e8b?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000014

Is this what americans want? A level of corruption comparable to that of Brazil? Are you kidding me? What the fuck, people?
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Is this what americans want? A level of corruption comparable to that of Brazil? Are you kidding me? What the fuck, people?


As my girlfriend said, "Looks like the GOP has decided that draining the swamp simply means making the swamp bigger and with more wildlife."
I don't think Americans necessarily want this; but the idea that it casts a net over the government and says "Hey, we're alright - we need to restructure this corruption stuff because it's all corrupted!" sounds like a glorious plan. The fault, though, is the fact that (as with all things in the government) they slip in additional things that benefit their own corruption.

Edit: - Removed passive-aggressive, snarky comment that was unnecessary.
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I'm going to laugh my ass off if the GOP tries to reinstate the ethics panel's independence after a DNC sweep.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Is this what americans want? A level of corruption comparable to that of Brazil? Are you kidding me? What the fuck, people?


As my girlfriend said, "Looks like the GOP has decided that draining the swamp simply means making the swamp bigger and with more wildlife."
I don't think Americans necessarily want this; but the idea that it casts a net over the government and says "Hey, we're alright - we need to restructure this corruption stuff because it's all corrupted!" sounds like a glorious plan. The fault, though, is the fact that (as with all things in the government) they slip in additional things that benefit their own corruption.

Edit: - Removed passive-aggressive, snarky comment that was unnecessary.


I wouldn't even give them the credit of expansion and wildlife preservation. Seems more to me like they're draining the swamp to try and create Swamp Thing.

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What makes one think the Independent Body does have some loyalty of its own?

Here's one issue, why does the Federal Government now have so much power it needs additional watchdogs in the first place?

Take note the Republican interviewed is saying his opinion on the change, that they don't need two organizations to do the same thing, this will streamline and put one organization below the other as a filter. The Democrats interviewed were making wide emotional appeals to the reader as this is surely the first step to being Hitler. Great job MSNBC.

I personally am of the opinion that an Independent board has no oversight over it either. Why do we not trust Congress' ability to police itself with its own committee, but we trust the Intelligence Agencies to police themselves? I would cast suspicion on them all, and wonder who gave them all so much power we need to be suspicious in the first place.
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I personally am of the opinion that an Independent board has no oversight over it either. Why do we not trust Congress' ability to police itself with its own committee, but we trust the Intelligence Agencies to police themselves? I would cast suspicion on them all, and wonder who gave them all so much power we need to be suspicious in the first place.


We did.
We gave this amount of power to the government, to intelligence agencies, and so forth. We, the citizens gave them this power for safety, for comfort, for protection. But I agree, it's not just an overseer committee (which will undoubtedly have a stronger GOP presence) but the idea of how much power are we willing to give them now that we have a clear understanding that both sides are equally corrupted. Intelligence agencies will only put out information that benefits their agenda, their narrative. Outside of that, they tend to view the citizens as the dolts who run around claiming it's the end of the world and that the sky is falling.


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I wouldn't even give them the credit of expansion and wildlife preservation. Seems more to me like they're draining the swamp to try and create Swamp Thing.


I think when I removed my passive-aggressive snark that the overall response lost quite a bit of context. That's my fault; as I knew that I was responding emotionally so I cleared out the overly passive-aggressive comment that wasn't really necessary (nor would it add to the discussion on either political side).

This may not be the "beginning of the Nazi regime" as some Democrats are seeing it. At the same time, it's absurd that we're just revisiting something and adding in additional segments to something that makes sense with something that doesn't. It's kind of how the government works altogether. Just like how the GOP in North Carolina slipped in an anti-abortion law through a motorcycle helmet law a year or so ago. The government knows that the citizens are paying attention to what's going on, so it's easier to sneak things in with a bill being written with a totally obscure narrative so it doesn't trigger either party.

This bill kind of rings the same kind of logic. It's not the "end of the free world" but a continuation of adding legislature that benefits their own agenda rather than the purpose of the bill itself.
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and here I thought their agenda started after the civil war
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Republicans like to tear things down and block proposals, while never proposing or instituting any alternative plans. They love to say how much they love veterans, but then they fight tooth and nail against any increase in funding to support for wounded veterans and then never actually propose anything to solve the problem. Absolutely the Democrats have put themselves in a position they can't fix anymore quite frankly but Republicans have found there's a certain power in doing nothing, inaction is far harder to call out for most people, and it goes under everyone's noses unless someone is perceptive enough to notice.
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Expect a lot of liberal biased groups, committees, agencies to vanish into the night come Jan 20th. It's called losing an election. Enjoy.
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I don't have a problem with subordinating the Office of Congressional Ethics to the House Ethics Committee. "Independent panels" are panels of bureaucrats, who are not responsible to the American people but to whoever is in charge of hiring them, who is a member of the Executive Branch. So, a Democrat is likely the one who appointed people to work on this "independent" panel, and it is no wonder that Republican politicians feel themselves to have been over-targeted by it.

The government watchdog is supposed to be the press, and the people are the ultimate police of government, exercising their authority at the ballot box. Don't forget the vast number of scandals coming from the Executive Branch: Bengazi, Fast and Furious, Clinton's deleted e-mails, the VA hospitals, etc. I don't think that anyone has been punished in a court of law for these crimes. Instead, the Democrats were punished at the ballot box. If a Republican-led government proves to be as corrupt, I have no doubt that Republicans will face similar backlash in 2018 and 2020.
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