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FUCKING WINDOWS!!! I bought a windows 7 CD for clean installs a LONG time ago and just tried doing a clean install for a virtualbox and now their fucking activation service is saying "it is not registered for clean installs only upgrades". I bought it specifically because it COULD do clean installs!!! Fuck you windows you are the worst OS I hope you go bankrupt!
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Good thing I really enjoy Windows 10.

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The thing with windows 10 is, starting this year, everyone will be asked to go on a "leasing" option, if you want to continue to receive updates to 10.
This is Microsoft's new vision for their software, forever on the hook.
The thing is, the software is really not that sophisticated, they just want everyone to get on their ride, and pay.
UnBuntu or Red Hat will probably my choice in the future, because once you purchase an OS, that is all you need to run the computer.
They think that everyone is dumb enough to not understand this, and will continue to pay, and pay, and pay...
The don't like the idea that they have outsmarted themselves, with windows 7.
There whole business model is to get you to give them money, for something you have already bought.
so I hope everyone out there likes being taken, over and over again.
Because that is going to be your future...
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Bankshot wrote:

The thing with windows 10 is, starting this year, everyone will be asked to go on a "leasing" option, if you want to continue to receive updates to 10.
This is Microsoft's new vision for their software, forever on the hook.
The thing is, the software is really not that sophisticated, they just want everyone to get on their ride, and pay.


Could I have a news link?
I took a quick look but the only mentioning of subscriptions so far are about enterprise customers.


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FUCKING WINDOWS!!! I bought a windows 7 CD for clean installs a LONG time ago and just tried doing a clean install for a virtualbox and now their fucking activation service is saying "it is not registered for clean installs only upgrades". I bought it specifically because it COULD do clean installs!!! Fuck you windows you are the worst OS I hope you go bankrupt!


Maybe you can try the re-arm/edit trick reserved for upgrade copies...
http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-Install-Windows-7-With-Upgrade-Media

If that doesn't work then, well.

You mentioned website-building. When I look at my site stats I see that most people use Chrome, and then there's this small slice of "everything else" that includes Firefox.


GreatLordBalzak wrote:

To be fair this has been a problem for quite a while. I remember this happening with a Win7 install 4 years ago. That service always seemed to randomly bug out. I've resorted to installing updates as-needed.

Thankfully I haven't had any issues with Win10 updates (outside of that one time it tried installing updates during a power outage when my UPS told it to shut down; the UPS lasted with plenty of battery to spare)


I guess what happened was that I have been lucky all the way until now. Correlation does not imply causation and everything...
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Could I have a news link?
I took a quick look but the only mentioning of subscriptions so far are about enterprise customers.

This will give you an idea of their pricing model:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-much-would-a-windows-10-subscription-cost/

"Microsoft has yet to reveal the pricing structure for Windows 10, but all the speculation out there seems to point to something completely different from the way that Microsoft has sold Windows in the past. The one rumor that seems to carry the most weight is a subscription model similar to what Microsoft has already set up for Office 365.

Instead of buying Office 365, you essentially rent it by the month or by the year. You install the Office package and run the actual applications on your system, just like in the past. The only difference is how you pay for it. Instead of forking out a big bundle of cash up front, you pay as you go.

You can rent a single copy of Office 365, called the Personal package, for $6.99 a month or $69.99 for a year. You can rent five copies of Office 365, called the Home package, for $9.99 a month or $99.99 for a year. The only requirement is that you get online at least once every 30 days in order for Office to call home and verify your subscription. Other than that, Office 365 looks and feels exactly like Office 2013."
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Kintor wrote:

I ran into similiar problems when I installed Windows 7 on my new PC last year. The only workable solution I found was to download key patches manually and then install them, effectively avoiding Windows update.

Start with the April 2015 Servicing Stack Update:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=46817
This is a small patch but it's neccessary for the next step, as the next download won't install without this patch.

Then download the July 2016 Windows 7 SP1 Convenience Rollup:
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB3125574
This is a large file (at 476.9 MB) but it contains every key patch for Windows 7 from SP1 to July 2016. Once you get this installed you should never have to worry about another Windows update again.

Lastly, you can also download the July 2016 Windows Update Hotfix:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=53332
This patch should fix the download rate problem with Windows update, allowing you to download new patches again without the program getting stuck. Of course, Microsoft being Microsoft, you can't install this patch until both the downloads above are already on your system.


Thanks for the links


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Could I have a news link?
I took a quick look but the only mentioning of subscriptions so far are about enterprise customers.

This will give you an idea of their pricing model:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-much-would-a-windows-10-subscription-cost/

"Microsoft has yet to reveal the pricing structure for Windows 10, but all the speculation out there seems to point to something completely different from the way that Microsoft has sold Windows in the past. The one rumor that seems to carry the most weight is a subscription model similar to what Microsoft has already set up for Office 365.

Instead of buying Office 365, you essentially rent it by the month or by the year. You install the Office package and run the actual applications on your system, just like in the past. The only difference is how you pay for it. Instead of forking out a big bundle of cash up front, you pay as you go.

You can rent a single copy of Office 365, called the Personal package, for $6.99 a month or $69.99 for a year. You can rent five copies of Office 365, called the Home package, for $9.99 a month or $99.99 for a year. The only requirement is that you get online at least once every 30 days in order for Office to call home and verify your subscription. Other than that, Office 365 looks and feels exactly like Office 2013."


I am aware of those rumors but they were old rumors (the above article dates back to 2014). This one from July last year was the one I was looking at:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3094785/windows/yes-windows-10-subscriptions-are-coming-at-least-for-enterprise.html

I suppose people can always just reinstall Window 7, because I've already upgraded the "seed machine" of that Windows 7 copy but the key was still good...
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I might be the only person on the internet to say this, but I think that Windows 8.1 is the best version of windows that's out right now.

Since I use a start menu replacer, my copies are functionally identical to Windows 7 (and in fact I often will forget that I'm not even using 7 anymore). I personally use start8, which I purchased for 5 dollars. But there are free options as well that are just as effective.

It's also still getting full support for years after Windows 7. And I doubt Microsoft will be as dickish with extended support issues like the non functioning updates since people aren't really clinging to the product like they are with 7.

And finally it doesn't have a lot of the crap Windows 10 introduced like Cortana and always on automatic updates. As much tinkering (and headaches) as it took me to get a Windows 7 experience out of Windows 8, it's been worse with Windows 10. And I doubt things will improve over time.
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nanikore2 wrote:


Bankshot wrote:

The thing with windows 10 is, starting this year, everyone will be asked to go on a "leasing" option, if you want to continue to receive updates to 10.
This is Microsoft's new vision for their software, forever on the hook.
The thing is, the software is really not that sophisticated, they just want everyone to get on their ride, and pay.


Could I have a news link?
I took a quick look but the only mentioning of subscriptions so far are about enterprise customers.


Rujikin wrote:

FUCKING WINDOWS!!! I bought a windows 7 CD for clean installs a LONG time ago and just tried doing a clean install for a virtualbox and now their fucking activation service is saying "it is not registered for clean installs only upgrades". I bought it specifically because it COULD do clean installs!!! Fuck you windows you are the worst OS I hope you go bankrupt!


Maybe you can try the re-arm/edit trick reserved for upgrade copies...
http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-Install-Windows-7-With-Upgrade-Media

If that doesn't work then, well.

You mentioned website-building. When I look at my site stats I see that most people use Chrome, and then there's this small slice of "everything else" that includes Firefox.


GreatLordBalzak wrote:

To be fair this has been a problem for quite a while. I remember this happening with a Win7 install 4 years ago. That service always seemed to randomly bug out. I've resorted to installing updates as-needed.

Thankfully I haven't had any issues with Win10 updates (outside of that one time it tried installing updates during a power outage when my UPS told it to shut down; the UPS lasted with plenty of battery to spare)


I guess what happened was that I have been lucky all the way until now. Correlation does not imply causation and everything...


Hey thanks I'll try that out! Hopefully it works. I'm literally installing on a virtual box to play a couple games with a friend so I don't actually have to boot into windows.

Huh? I've been with Firefox since 1.x and have no intension of switching to chrome due to all of its monitoring crap. Plus I hate the chrome layout with a passion. Tabs should be on bottom not top!!!!
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From what I've found after digging around on that particular issue the solution may be to download update KB3135445 from Microsoft's support site, temporarily disable Windows Update, run the update's installer, power cycle the machine, reactivate Windows Update, and then check for updates again. After that the service should run as normal, though you may still be looking at a pretty variable wait time. It could be five minutes, it could be twelve hours. But it should come.

The reason you have to temporarily deactivate Windows Update is that if you don't KB3135445's installer first prompts Windows Update to start searching for updates and won't proceed until it finds some (which it never will, which is the problem). This step is skipped by the installer if Windows Update is deactivated. Based on my very limited and entirely secondhand understanding the root of the problem is that the version of the service to be fixed by KB3135445 jams when it's overloaded with hundreds of simultaneous updates, but that could be completely wrong.
Posted 1/4/17
A shame. Windows 7 > all. Even though I've enjoyed 10 for its gaming. I like to block the telemetry with Spybot Anti-beacon.
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BlueOni wrote:

From what I've found after digging around on that particular issue the solution may be to download update KB3135445 from Microsoft's support site, temporarily disable Windows Update, run the update's installer, power cycle the machine, reactivate Windows Update, and then check for updates again. After that the service should run as normal, though you may still be looking at a pretty variable wait time. It could be five minutes, it could be twelve hours. But it should come.

The reason you have to temporarily deactivate Windows Update is that if you don't KB3135445's installer first prompts Windows Update to start searching for updates and won't proceed until it finds some (which it never will, which is the problem). This step is skipped by the installer if Windows Update is deactivated. Based on my very limited and entirely secondhand understanding the root of the problem is that the version of the service to be fixed by KB3135445 jams when it's overloaded with hundreds of simultaneous updates, but that could be completely wrong.


HOLY TOLEDO, THAT WORKED!

It was literally the ONLY thing I've tried from this thread so far that actually worked!

I disabled the update service from autostart, and of course still not stop the service itself because the update still need it, downloaded the updated you mentioned, ran it and VOILA, the update constipation is gone! WOOHOO THANKS A BUNCH

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Rujikin wrote:

FUCKING WINDOWS!!! I bought a windows 7 CD for clean installs a LONG time ago and just tried doing a clean install for a virtualbox and now their fucking activation service is saying "it is not registered for clean installs only upgrades". I bought it specifically because it COULD do clean installs!!! Fuck you windows you are the worst OS I hope you go bankrupt!


Maybe you can try the re-arm/edit trick reserved for upgrade copies...
http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-Install-Windows-7-With-Upgrade-Media



That worked great! Thanks you saved me tons of time googling for a solution!
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nanikore2 wrote:

HOLY TOLEDO, THAT WORKED!

It was literally the ONLY thing I've tried from this thread so far that actually worked!

I disabled the update service from autostart, and of course still not stop the service itself because the update still need it, downloaded the updated you mentioned, ran it and VOILA, the update constipation is gone! WOOHOO THANKS A BUNCH


I'm pleased I was able to help.
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Certainly that's funny that this is happening. There's nothing quite like that where updates were never installed and some bizarre things are just going on. Windows has just had lots of things that need fixing and it's no wonder they have been taking quite a hit in their reputation.
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I always had update problems with Windows 7. Pain in the ass. I switched to 10 mostly just to stay current and I'm learning to tolerate it. It's just bloated with crap I don't need or want. It has been stable and relatively hassle free though.
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