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Are there people out there who believe religion is linked to mental illnesses?
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"If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences."



Irony in action, as this quote applies directly to all those condescending and condemning of religions. Read that and consider the atheist regimes of Stalin and the rest of Soviet Russia, Mao's China, North Korea, Hitler, etc. It applies to every belief system out there that has ever had followers and leaders who believed it is/was the One Truth, be it religious, political or social. Consider the PC crowd, LBGTQ activists, etc.

And, of course this applies to every atheist who's put down the religious beliefs of others. Atheism is a religious belief system, and it's capacity for blind fanaticism is no less than any other religious, political or social belief system in human history.
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If I was god, I'd rage quit by slamming a comet into the planet.
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People believe all sorts of things.

I don't think religious beliefs have anything to do with mental illness, but some beliefs can exacerbate severe mental illnesses. If someone thinks that the voices in their head are God, they may be more inclined to listen to those voices.
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You look at what it does to some people. Believing in something unproven appears kinda whacko if you ask me.
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>> male atheists are the highest percentage of the population who like to put their genitals up other men's butts.
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lawdog wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:


"If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences."



Irony in action, as this quote applies directly to all those condescending and condemning of religions. Read that and consider the atheist regimes of Stalin and the rest of Soviet Russia, Mao's China, North Korea, Hitler, etc. It applies to every belief system out there that has ever had followers and leaders who believed it is/was the One Truth, be it religious, political or social. Consider the PC crowd, LBGTQ activists, etc.

And, of course this applies to every atheist who's put down the religious beliefs of others. Atheism is a religious belief system, and it's capacity for blind fanaticism is no less than any other religious, political or social belief system in human history.


Man, talk about a blast from the past! Last time I heard that argument was in 2008 in middle school! Atheism. A lack of belief in gods. Theism - belief in a god. Religion - follows gods.

Hence atheism is not a religious belief system. Is it a system in the lack of belief in deities. God this reminds me of when I was asked "Do you hate god?" No, I cant hate something that doesn't exist. Jesus this post was so 2008.

The rest of your argument holds some merit... but you lost so much calling atheism a religious belief system. So middle school... Jesus.

Edit: https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism
Take a read. Expand on what you think you know.

Edit 2: Asking any religion to define something they see as an enemy is foolish. Asking an American to talk about the Wermacht, or the Chinese about Japanese and vice versa. The other side is often seen in a different light due to bias. Hence religion is biased in defining atheism.
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I don't think so... it's almost like a natural phenomenon. When you are in desperate need you find yourself calling for help from someone, a higher being or wishing for some luck to happen
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I really don't think the two have anything to do with each other.
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Thanks for the comments, cool people.
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Dark_Alma wrote:


auroraloose wrote:

Hmm - did you derive your own morality?


For the most part. I was never Christian persay. I treated god like a Santa when I was a kid. Wishing for a Monster Truck toy and all. I never really took him seriously.

Now to the personal stuff. I was bullied, horribly. I didn't like it... And I never took it out on anyone. If I was miserable, why make others miserable too? It just branched from there. Sure my parents told me to "not kill, lie, etc." Do serial killers listen to their parents in that regard? I dare say no. I just figured "Why take what makes me miserable and do it to others?" I still don't understand it. Are people really that petty?

So yes, for the most part, I did derive my morality myself. Just as humans have done when they derived their thousands of gods, from the time of just being a cave man. Morals evolve, grow and change over time. I developed my own. My own morals are also in some cases against the Bibles.

Take the Seven Deadly Sins. I actually like a few of them. Pride mainly. I also don't mind gluttony nor greed to a degree. Greed makes you want to "grow" your estate. Gluttony is fun and as long as you don't go way too far overboard hurts no one. Pride... Heh. Just look at the USA. Pride out the ass.

The only real morals that I keep in line with the Bible is respecting my parents (not that the bible told me, but they were good to me, hence command my respect). Not to kill. No duh. I wouldnt want to be killed, why would I do it (not that death scares me. I welcome it like an old friend when he grabs my hand). Last is not to lie. I still lie on occasion. Such white lies like "Yea, I met Santa once and he said you were a good girl" or "The dress does not make you look fat (you are fat though... not the dresses fault!)."

TL;DR. I grew my own morals from deriving what I would like to happen to me and did it to others.


It occurs to me that this subtopic is kinda leaving the thread's main topic, but I'll finish:

So yes, you took your subjective experiences, processed them through some kind of subjective reasoning based on your limited knowledge, and came up with a few rules. As we are products of our environments, I'm wary of agreeing that you came up with these entirely of your own accord, but even then you haven't shown how your own opinions necessarily lead to good or useful values. If you "derive" your values yourself, you're their only basis - and you're a very changeable being.

I imagine that you didn't come up yourself with your characterization of religious followers as sheep, afraid, or unable to think for themselves. I think this characterization is unfair, and leaves out the reality that people on the whole aren't all that bright or good. I don't think I alone should be trusted to come up with what's best for myself or others, because I know how stupid I am. And so seeking an expert - God, say - isn't necessarily cowardly or submissive; it could be an admission that someone else knows better. If you're a layperson, it's not brave to fix a busted water valve spurting water everywhere by yourself, and it's not cowardly to call a plumber. You can argue whether this or that religion actually gives useful advice, or whether some kind of scientifically-derived religious values fare better, but remember that a flock of sheep under a shepherd are a lot safer than a lone sheep wandering by itself.
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There's no correlation what so ever between the two as far as the very basic essence of belief goes.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

Man, talk about a blast from the past! Last time I heard that argument was in 2008 in middle school! Atheism. A lack of belief in gods. Theism - belief in a god. Religion - follows gods.

Hence atheism is not a religious belief system. Is it a system in the lack of belief in deities. God this reminds me of when I was asked "Do you hate god?" No, I cant hate something that doesn't exist. Jesus this post was so 2008.

The rest of your argument holds some merit... but you lost so much calling atheism a religious belief system. So middle school... Jesus.


Actually, as I said earlier,



To be blunt about it, atheism is also a system of unproven and disputable claims that is used to justify certain values. We can make rationalizations for these claims (though the rationalizations themselves depend on what we value), but neither science nor some other field of knowledge rubber-stamps them as incontrovertible. Further, one can start with atheism and reason towards different moralities - highlighting the subjectivity and ambiguity inherent to it.


Has it been proven that a god does not exist? No. Are there enough people around who can make reasonable arguments that Christianity/Islam/whatever else you like are actually supported by data? Yes. This data isn't necessarily airtight, but understand that, as I said earlier, "the answers to such questions are in the exact same category as the supernatural." Since atheism claims to answer these questions, it must necessarily fall into the same category as a belief system with a god. Call it whatever you want, but it has exactly the same properties as a religion. Don't chafe at the label; the noumenal wall exists for everyone. Be honest with yourself.

Though it's not all that relevant, the concept of god certainly exists and affects the world. And you can hate that.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

Man, talk about a blast from the past! Last time I heard that argument was in 2008 in middle school! Atheism. A lack of belief in gods. Theism - belief in a god. Religion - follows gods.

Hence atheism is not a religious belief system. Is it a system in the lack of belief in deities. God this reminds me of when I was asked "Do you hate god?" No, I cant hate something that doesn't exist. Jesus this post was so 2008.

The rest of your argument holds some merit... but you lost so much calling atheism a religious belief system. So middle school... Jesus.

Edit: https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism
Take a read. Expand on what you think you know.

Edit 2: Asking any religion to define something they see as an enemy is foolish. Asking an American to talk about the Wermacht, or the Chinese about Japanese and vice versa. The other side is often seen in a different light due to bias. Hence religion is biased in defining atheism.


Atheism is absolutely a religion, atheism is the active disbelief in god(s). As a god's existence has never been proven or dis-proven by a repeatable test saying that there is no god is a statement of faith.

At any rate dictionary.com has 7 definitions for religion and Atheism comfortably fits into 4 of them and to some degree a 5th(http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t)

Anyway, reading your link they are lumping defining atheism with the definition of agnosticism(which is not a religious belief). When there is a real difference between saying "There is no god" and "I don't know/care if there is a god" which is why both the terms Atheist and Agnostic exist.

Also in response to your edit 2: Asking any religion(or group) to define themselves is just as foolish as asking their enemies to define them, you need to find a neutral onlooker or if you are unable to find one of those ask both them and their enemies as truths and lies will almost always be found in equal parts from both parties.
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And this thread has lost me like I lost my enjoyment of American Flavored Imitation Pasteurized Processed Cheese Food (yes it exists).

I can see no one in this thread is even worth arguing with as they are ingrained too deeply in their own beliefs. Have a great day. You few guys who know who I am talking about... You do you. Don't force it on others. Don't dogmatize. Let people find out for their own. Tschüss!
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i definitely believe it is a lot because my mom has a mental illness and whenever she has a break down she goes from simply being agnostic to delusions that involves religious like stuff and this happens pretty much every time she has one.
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