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Posted 1/5/17

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The second half of the quote is:


After wondering if it were hate for Trump or white people, she expanded on he point. “If we start going around and anytime someone says or does something egregious or bad and sickening in sense,” she noted. “In connection with the president-elect Donald Trump or even President Obama for that matter because of their political leanings, that’s slippery territory. That is not a hate crime.”


Which means the point was: Is it a hate crime if its politically motivated and legally speaking no, it is not. Political affiliations are not a protected class.

Timeline wise this entire segment occurred before authorities released any information on charges as the host clearly states before asking Sanders that he cannot say whether its a hate crime because the police are still investigating.

And finally, lets not kid ourselves here. If the political positions were reversed we'd be hearing the same thing.

TL;DR: Waiting until you have all the information before making a definitive judgement ( Especially as a news network ) is not bias. Political, racial or otherwise.




Ah, that does change the context of the quote. Thank you very much for clearing that up.
Posted 1/5/17 , edited 1/5/17

runec wrote:
Which means the point was: Is it a hate crime if its politically motivated and legally speaking no, it is not.

By that logic the Charleston church shooting wasn't a hate crime because Roof was politically motivated.
Posted 1/5/17
Whitehouse press secretary says it's too early to tell if it's a hate crime.
No comment from Obama, probably because the victim didn't look like he could have been "Obama's son" like past crimes that he has commented on.

http://ntknetwork.com/white-house-too-early-to-tell-if-chicago-beating-was-a-hate-crime/
Posted 1/5/17

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Whitehouse press secretary says it's too early to tell if it's a hate crime.
No comment from Obama, probably because the victim didn't look like he could have been "Obama's son" like past crimes that he has commented on.

http://ntknetwork.com/white-house-too-early-to-tell-if-chicago-beating-was-a-hate-crime/


Wow I can't believe he'd do it AFTER they've already been charged.
Also the outlets just calling it a 'beating' is an outrage. They are either purposefully misstating facts or they didn't watch the video.
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Strangely enough this topic is not listed on the home page for some reason. I know this happens when a post is flagged for moderator review, but there are no flags present now. Maybe it's a 'bug'? They sure are convenient little things sometimes.

I feel bad for suggesting CR remove GD from the homepage if they are now using that idea to selectively hide some topics that they don't like.
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The White House press secretary is commenting as it pertains to federal hate crime charges pursued by the DoJ. I believe they have legal authority to to do so but I think the current charges have been placed by Chicago PD and federal prosecution will follow. Not a legal expert on the whole process but I think that's how it goes.
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Guys, do we really need to do this yet again?

Xxanthar: I get that a thread that held merit was closed yet again and you feel that it was unfair (and biased). But you end up taking these threads into a realm of personal insults. My comment was basically to try to alleviate the "seriousness" of your post because it was clearly passive-aggressive. There's no need to deliberately divert a topic that was (for once) progressing without personal attacks and irrationality. Any thread where we're all on the same page regarding the original post is .......quite rare, personally.


I have worked very hard to remove all obvious and 'perceived' personal insults from my posts for a quite while now. Often to only be rewarded with personal insults hurled at me, which I report and nothing is done about. I have a right to display my unhappiness with the way things are going, and perhaps that comes off as passive-aggressive. That is the only option I have to express myself here honestly without getting my posts edited, deleted or getting myself banned. I have carefully adjusted my writing style, to comply with the vague and unfair enforcement of the forum rules.

Last time I checked, being passive-aggressive was not against the rules. If some people choose to take my posts as personal insults it's more of a "if the shoe fits, wear it' situation, since I have not singled out individuals, aside from direct replies to questions asked of me.

edit: It's pretty hard to abide by rules that change at the whims of those who enforce them. Post clear and concise rules, and apply them fairly among ALL users. There would be far less problems that way.


Looks like me and you are in the same boat. Have the same exact problem. Mods don't do shit when the lefties do it. Complained days ago on an email detailing it all so precisely, yet no response. Also sent the same info directly to mods about the double standards, side taking, and bias, no response either. That's why on another post today, I said they should rename this site buzzfeedroll, mtvroll, or theyoungturksroll.

It's like going into a boxing match with your hands tied behind your back, the other guys hands aren't, and then they tell you it's a fair fight.

Well, at least loreen deleted that "that's hot" comment. I gotta give her credit for that, so maybe things are getting better? Maybe??? Hopefully????
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Xxanthar wrote:

Whitehouse press secretary says it's too early to tell if it's a hate crime.
No comment from Obama, probably because the victim didn't look like he could have been "Obama's son" like past crimes that he has commented on.

http://ntknetwork.com/white-house-too-early-to-tell-if-chicago-beating-was-a-hate-crime/


Why does the president have to comment every time something happens to ONE person? I don't see how that's even possible. Certainly what happened to the young man was terrible but that doesn't mean it needs a special comment from Obama himself. He never made a statement about this one case where 3 white people beat a black man and ran him over with a truck.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/10/three-white-mississippi-men-hate-crimes_n_6655904.html

Since you so clearly allude to race and how he didn't care because the young man was white. Well this man was black and he was murdered, so why wouldn't he comment on that?
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Xxanthar wrote:

Strangely enough this topic is not listed on the home page for some reason. I know this happens when a post is flagged for moderator review, but there are no flags present now. Maybe it's a 'bug'? They sure are convenient little things sometimes.

I feel bad for suggesting CR remove GD from the homepage if they are now using that idea to selectively hide some topics that they don't like.
Edit: Oh my, it's back!


I know Reddit and Twitter faced some controversy for their weird censorship efforts, but I'm not concerned at all for the mods here on Crunchyroll. I think they've been reasonable and I hope we aren't causing them too much extra work with our discussions. It's kinda meant to be an anime community, after all.
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If the races were reversed and they did 1/10th of what actually happened to this poor man cities would be burning from all of the riots. They are literally saying its ok to be racist as long as your black. These people are saying this and the PD doesn't care:

"FUCK WHITE PEOPLE. BITCH YOU VOTED TRUMP. FUCK YOU WHITIES. WHITE PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUINED THIS COUNTRY. FUCK WHITE PEOPLE, FUCK ALL YOU WHITES"

"Race was not the motive. Also neither was politics. It was just dumb teens." -Chicago PD
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Xxanthar wrote:

Strangely enough this topic is not listed on the home page for some reason. I know this happens when a post is flagged for moderator review, but there are no flags present now. Maybe it's a 'bug'? They sure are convenient little things sometimes.

I feel bad for suggesting CR remove GD from the homepage if they are now using that idea to selectively hide some topics that they don't like.
Edit: Oh my, it's back!


To be fair these forums are so buggy and broken that it very well could be a programming error.
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If the races were reversed and they did 1/10th of what actually happened to this poor man cities would be burning from all of the riots. They are literally saying its ok to be racist as long as your black. These people are saying this and the PD doesn't care:

"FUCK WHITE PEOPLE. BITCH YOU VOTED TRUMP. FUCK YOU WHITIES. WHITE PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUINED THIS COUNTRY. FUCK WHITE PEOPLE, FUCK ALL YOU WHITES"

"Race was not the motive. Also neither was politics. It was just dumb teens." -Chicago PD


Huh? They charged them with hate crimes. Can you even read?
Posted 1/5/17

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Huh? They charged them with hate crimes. Can you even read?


They did but they sure took their time dragging their feet about it, saying it 'wasn't motivated by race' and other bull.
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rawratl wrote:

Huh? They charged them with hate crimes. Can you even read?


They did but they sure took their time dragging their feet about it, saying it 'wasn't motivated by race' and other bull.


Common procedure for law enforcement to interview everyone and get all their facts straight before they make such statements.
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