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So I looked upon this article https://www.engadget.com/2015/10/08/dna-nanomachine-detects-hiv-antibodies-in-minutes-not-hours/. And I thought if you can scan HIV in minutes, you can definitely scan cancer cells in the same way since a cancer cell is formed when a mutation in the genes occurred. All you need is to match the perfectly healthy DNA with a mutated one and you have targeted a cancer cell. The rest is to release a toxin and destroy the target cell.

Here is a more complete article https://health-innovations.org/2015/10/08/low-cost-dna-nanobot-can-detect-many-diseases-including-hiv/ . Although I do not have enough knowledge about the comparing mechanism, but I mean, once the cancer cells are destroyed there wouldn't be anything left for it to grow back right? That is one of my concern, second is it would not damage any normal tissues right?
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You know you think by now with all of the money everyone has we can take the time to find an actual cure.

Cancer cells somehow never completely die off. Even if they say you're free of cancer it can still come back years down the road.
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This specific example won't work for cancer as it is designed to detect antibodies in your blood. If you have cancer cells freely floating to all parts of your body then you will already be in terminal decline.

However the principle of designing protein structures to tackle cancers and other diseases has been embraced by the science community. The key first step though is to understand how proteins work, as described in this short video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJQbSLlonI.

If you are interested in helping to identify proteins and potential cures for diseases you may wish to sign up to a distributed computing project, which will use your spare computer processing power to help tackle the problem. Distributed computing projects involved in medical research include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[email protected]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Community_Grid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[email protected]

If it is cancer specifically that you want to target then World Community Grid may be the best choice in the short term as they currently have a project to map cancer markers (my computer is mapping some as I type).
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MidoriNoTora wrote:

This specific example won't work for cancer as it is designed to detect antibodies in your blood. If you have cancer cells freely floating to all parts of your body then you will already be in terminal decline.

However the principle of designing protein structures to tackle cancers and other diseases has been embraced by the science community. The key first step though is to understand how proteins work, as described in this short video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJQbSLlonI.

If you are interested in helping to identify proteins and potential cures for diseases you may wish to sign up to a distributed computing project, which will use your spare computer processing power to help tackle the problem. Distributed computing projects involved in medical research include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[email protected]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Community_Grid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[email protected]

If it is cancer specifically that you want to target then World Community Grid may be the best choice in the short term as they currently have a project to map cancer markers (my computer is mapping some as I type).


Right, I like the ideas of having nanomachines like DNA Origami where it can be controlled for drug delivery. As for the problem with cancer growing back, some suggests it is a problem with the mutation of microRNA, but it is an area still being studied. Thanks I'll look into it


P.S If the Cancer markers contain microRNA let me know
P.S Hmm, it is referenced in the database, guess I'll get right to work
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MidoriNoTora wrote:

This specific example won't work for cancer as it is designed to detect antibodies in your blood. If you have cancer cells freely floating to all parts of your body then you will already be in terminal decline.

However the principle of designing protein structures to tackle cancers and other diseases has been embraced by the science community. The key first step though is to understand how proteins work, as described in this short video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJQbSLlonI.

If you are interested in helping to identify proteins and potential cures for diseases you may wish to sign up to a distributed computing project, which will use your spare computer processing power to help tackle the problem. Distributed computing projects involved in medical research include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[email protected]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Community_Grid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[email protected]

If it is cancer specifically that you want to target then World Community Grid may be the best choice in the short term as they currently have a project to map cancer markers (my computer is mapping some as I type).


Hi, I was wondering if there is a paid version for processing the dataset, maybe one dollar per dataset? Just curious


P.S Ya never mind = =
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Hi, I was wondering if there is a paid version for processing the dataset, maybe one dollar per dataset? Just curious


P.S Ya never mind = =


When distributed computing started to take off 13 years ago there was talk about some projects giving out rewards based on the amount of work you contribute. However that fell by the wayside when they found out how much processing speed they were being given for free by volunteers interested in their causes. Some of these distributed computing networks are as fast as the top 10 super computers.

If you want to earn money through your computer's processing power you may want to research Bitcoin or other virtual currency.
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MidoriNoTora wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Hi, I was wondering if there is a paid version for processing the dataset, maybe one dollar per dataset? Just curious


P.S Ya never mind = =


When distributed computing started to take off 13 years ago there was talk about some projects giving out rewards based on the amount of work you contribute. However that fell by the wayside when they found out how much processing speed they were being given for free by volunteers interested in their causes. Some of these distributed computing networks are as fast as the top 10 super computers.

If you want to earn money through your computer's processing power you may want to research Bitcoin or other virtual currency.


Well I thought money incentive would accelerate the project. We know how MMORPG works out as a free market. Well right cancer research does not play out like video games, it's not bad having 10 super computer processing your stuff, you just need to have people work for it with reasonable incentive and maybe get something in return from the data. Anyway I would like to know where to check for feedback from the company as well as the progress they are making.

And please don't find this offensive, it is a cool idea you brought up, by no means I want to treat cancer like it is monetized, seems a bit heartless, just offering some ideas
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Well I thought money incentive would accelerate the project. We know how MMORPG works out as a free market. Well right cancer research does not play out like video games, it's not bad having 10 super computer processing your stuff, you just need to have people work for it with reasonable incentive and maybe get something in return from the data. Anyway I would like to know where to check for feedback from the company as well as the progress they are making.

And please don't find this offensive, it is a cool idea you brought up, by no means I want to treat cancer like it is monetized, seems a bit heartless, just offering some ideas


I don't find your idea offensive. As I said, the project teams already thought of it but discarded it for practical purposes...

Actually I have just remembered that there is a distributed computing project that does offer financial rewards to participants. However they make money by renting out your processing power to commercial organisations and only run the research projects in the down time. There is no way to guarantee that your computers will be contributing to cancer projects specifically. You can check them out at http://www.charityengine.com/. I don't know how the reward mechanism works so you will need to investigate yourself if you are interested.

In terms of getting feedback, some projects are better than others. A lot of the projects are run by scientists with bare bones support staff, so public relations is often seen as a secondary concern (even though the good will of participants is the key to maintaining their processing power). World Community Grid seems to be one of the better communicating projects out there. If you check their Wikipedia article for the names of their past projects you can then Google the project name for more information. Searching for "world community grid help fight childhood cancer news" brings back two interesting pages:

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/hfcc/overview.do
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=483

While I said that World Community Grid has a specific project at the moment for tackling cancer, [email protected] has hundreds of minor projects going on at any one time and often only tell you after the fact what you have been working on. A 2014 article from the news archive on their home page revealed that participants had helped design a protein that can kill a cancer causing virus http://hsnewsbeat.uw.edu/story/computer-designed-protein-causes-cancer-cells%E2%80%99-death.
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MidoriNoTora wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Well I thought money incentive would accelerate the project. We know how MMORPG works out as a free market. Well right cancer research does not play out like video games, it's not bad having 10 super computer processing your stuff, you just need to have people work for it with reasonable incentive and maybe get something in return from the data. Anyway I would like to know where to check for feedback from the company as well as the progress they are making.

And please don't find this offensive, it is a cool idea you brought up, by no means I want to treat cancer like it is monetized, seems a bit heartless, just offering some ideas


I don't find your idea offensive. As I said, the project teams already thought of it but discarded it for practical purposes...

Actually I have just remembered that there is a distributed computing project that does offer financial rewards to participants. However they make money by renting out your processing power to commercial organisations and only run the research projects in the down time. There is no way to guarantee that your computers will be contributing to cancer projects specifically. You can check them out at http://www.charityengine.com/. I don't know how the reward mechanism works so you will need to investigate yourself if you are interested.

In terms of getting feedback, some projects are better than others. A lot of the projects are run by scientists with bare bones support staff, so public relations is often seen as a secondary concern (even though the good will of participants is the key to maintaining their processing power). World Community Grid seems to be one of the better communicating projects out there. If you check their Wikipedia article for the names of their past projects you can then Google the project name for more information. Searching for "world community grid help fight childhood cancer news" brings back two interesting pages:

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/hfcc/overview.do
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=483

While I said that World Community Grid has a specific project at the moment for tackling cancer, [email protected] has hundreds of minor projects going on at any one time and often only tell you after the fact what you have been working on. A 2014 article from the news archive on their home page revealed that participants had helped design a protein that can kill a cancer causing virus http://hsnewsbeat.uw.edu/story/computer-designed-protein-causes-cancer-cells%E2%80%99-death.


I checked out a few of these CPU earning projects on Google, the reward only goes as high as 10 dollars a month. It does not seem like something you can make a living out of. It is probably because the excess of computation power. Anyway if you are a project starter and you know what you are doing it can have quite a potential. I'd like to know how to start a distributed computing project. I don't expect to write my own custom software though. Anyway, this is really interesting and thanks for the heads up
Posted 1/17/17
So you can only detect it sooner in the hopes of curing it with future technology?

Doc: Your aids test results are in. The results are negative.
Patient: oh, no
Doc: That's good.
Patient: oh, ok.
Doc: Your HIV test results are also in. The results are positive.
Patient: oh, good.
Doc: No, that's bad.
Fred: Is this about cancer?
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So you can only detect it sooner in the hopes of curing it with future technology?

Doc: Your aids test results are in. The results are negative.
Patient: oh, no
Doc: That's good.
Patient: oh, ok.
Doc: Your HIV test results are also in. The results are positive.
Patient: oh, good.
Doc: No, that's bad.
Fred: Is this about cancer?


The idea with manipulating microRNA is that it could be a potential treatment for cancer if you know what you are doing. If not it could also be used for anti-aging which leads to immortality. From what I know, it is presented in the tail where lizard undergoes regeneration. It could also be presented in wound healing in our bodies which isn't specified. From these two I suspect it is the cause for immortal jellyfish to transdifferentite into a younger self. I speculate it has just as much power in reverting the specialized cells into stem cells like the transcription factors used in IPS stem cells. Well the complexity of this thing is still being examined, and the cancer marker provided by World Community Grid does include an integration with the microRNA so I do believe that mapping the cancer marker would be of help to my interest.

On another note the mass distributed project has the potential to be used for startup companies.

Well, I am always looking for quick and easy/lazy way to gain benefits, if not leave behind a path of destruction lol. I am also interested in the idea of immortality and ways to benefit society for the greater goods. Mark my name in history. Being ordinary is a bit boring, but I respect hard work


P.S. Just don't ask me the technical stuff lol, I'd be on autopilot mode
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

So you can only detect it sooner in the hopes of curing it with future technology?

Doc: Your aids test results are in. The results are negative.
Patient: oh, no
Doc: That's good.
Patient: oh, ok.
Doc: Your HIV test results are also in. The results are positive.
Patient: oh, good.
Doc: No, that's bad.
Fred: Is this about cancer?


Ya, you are right, a cancer is formed from the mutation of DNA, so microRNA probably cannot fix that
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