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But in all seriousness, its a joke for Phantom, shesh.


Don't know why I was brought up in this.
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Hey, something set during WWI...sort of.
Seeing trench warfare with magic was interesting. I'm curious what set off the fighting in this universe. The triple entente exists, but they didn't indicate if an assassination set off the fighting. Also odd that this was set in that world's 1920s instead of 1910s.

Definitely like this better than Izetta so far. The magic in Izetta was just out of place and didn't mesh with the world well. It didn't make for very satisfying martial fantasy. The magic here is much better incorporated into the military strategy of the world and is mostly better balanced. Magicians seem to have taken the place of planes and war balloons. Though Tanya has WWII firepower instead of WWI.
(I realize Izetta's magic was supposed to be out of the norm, but it didn't work for me)

Curious if mustard gas and such will show up. Can the magicians block chemical weapons?


As I recall what set things off was a change in politics in one of the bordering kingdoms. The new leaders decided to flex their muscles in what was called "A Test of Military Might for Domestic Propoganda"

IE: it was some idiot in charge who thought it would look cool to see their soldiers fighting the "Big Bad Empire"

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LokiLB wrote:

Hey, something set during WWI...sort of.
Seeing trench warfare with magic was interesting. I'm curious what set off the fighting in this universe. The triple entente exists, but they didn't indicate if an assassination set off the fighting. Also odd that this was set in that world's 1920s instead of 1910s.

Definitely like this better than Izetta so far. The magic in Izetta was just out of place and didn't mesh with the world well. It didn't make for very satisfying martial fantasy. The magic here is much better incorporated into the military strategy of the world and is mostly better balanced. Magicians seem to have taken the place of planes and war balloons. Though Tanya has WWII firepower instead of WWI.
(I realize Izetta's magic was supposed to be out of the norm, but it didn't work for me)

Curious if mustard gas and such will show up. Can the magicians block chemical weapons?


As I recall what set things off was a change in politics in one of the bordering kingdoms. The new leaders decided to flex their muscles in what was called "A Test of Military Might for Domestic Propoganda"

IE: it was some idiot in charge who thought it would look cool to see their soldiers fighting the "Big Bad Empire"



Wow.
Not sure if that's more or less stupid than what resulted in real WWI. (Mutual defense treaties seem like a great idea until they drag an entire continent into a war because one dude got assassinated)
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Greylurker wrote:

As I recall what set things off was a change in politics in one of the bordering kingdoms. The new leaders decided to flex their muscles in what was called "A Test of Military Might for Domestic Propoganda"

IE: it was some idiot in charge who thought it would look cool to see their soldiers fighting the "Big Bad Empire"



If that was all, then the people in that country must've been even dumber for putting that guy in charge.
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Greylurker wrote:

As I recall what set things off was a change in politics in one of the bordering kingdoms. The new leaders decided to flex their muscles in what was called "A Test of Military Might for Domestic Propoganda"

IE: it was some idiot in charge who thought it would look cool to see their soldiers fighting the "Big Bad Empire"



If that was all, then the people in that country must've been even dumber for putting that guy in charge.


Well hyper-nationalism is never the smart move.



Warning
this conversation threatens to drift into real-world politics. Please lets not do that.

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Very promising start. Can't help but draw comparisons with Izetta, being released last season. Good to see that there are more magic practitioners in this world. While it was cool to see Izetta's action, it was a little boring how uncontested she was for 90% of the series. I'm curious to see what the endgame of Saga of Tanya the Evil will be. Though powerful, I can't imagine that the Lieutenant could subdue all the surrounding counties.

Speaking of the Lieutenant Tanya, her being a loli was really jarring. Everyone else, including brunette Fine, looked like someone you would expect to see in the war front. In contrast, Tanya looked like a middle school student dressed for a play. Hopefully they explain more of her origins. I'll probably get used to the loli, but it feels out of place for now. I do like how she does religious chants prior to her actions; reminded me of Saving Private Ryan's Daniel Jackson praying before firing his sniper rifle.
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They're all german. And you have yet to say anything about why it's Nazism here, as it's definitely not.


QUASI-NAZI JAPS

Has the light bulb clicked yet, or are you just that dense to click the link?

But in all seriousness, its a joke for Phantom, shesh.


You know, not everyone get it's a private joke for someone else, so not everyone will get the joke. Especially when you have on almost every board right now at least one person saying they're nazi, or worse sometimes, that this show is glorifying nazism.
If your interlocutor isn't phantom himself, , all he's going to see is another person saying the same stuff.
But fine anyway, I'm glad that was a joke. Obviously there was no way I would laugh out of it since I don't get the reference, you'll have to pardon me on that.



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Greylurker wrote:


LokiLB wrote:

Hey, something set during WWI...sort of.
Seeing trench warfare with magic was interesting. I'm curious what set off the fighting in this universe. The triple entente exists, but they didn't indicate if an assassination set off the fighting. Also odd that this was set in that world's 1920s instead of 1910s.

Definitely like this better than Izetta so far. The magic in Izetta was just out of place and didn't mesh with the world well. It didn't make for very satisfying martial fantasy. The magic here is much better incorporated into the military strategy of the world and is mostly better balanced. Magicians seem to have taken the place of planes and war balloons. Though Tanya has WWII firepower instead of WWI.
(I realize Izetta's magic was supposed to be out of the norm, but it didn't work for me)

Curious if mustard gas and such will show up. Can the magicians block chemical weapons?


As I recall what set things off was a change in politics in one of the bordering kingdoms. The new leaders decided to flex their muscles in what was called "A Test of Military Might for Domestic Propoganda"

IE: it was some idiot in charge who thought it would look cool to see their soldiers fighting the "Big Bad Empire"



Wow.
Not sure if that's more or less stupid than what resulted in real WWI. (Mutual defense treaties seem like a great idea until they drag an entire continent into a war because one dude got assassinated)


That reason to start a war was so ridiculous that even after that country announced they would go in war, the empire didn't believe they would actually try to enter their territory. They thought that was just a muscle flexing fro mthat new leader, sp that they would stop their troops before passing the frontier. so an intimidation move.
They watched the enemy soldiers step in their territory provoking a cassus belli without believing their own eyes.
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bathroom64 wrote:

But what about the Treaty of Worms?


That can only be called an awful romanisation from Crunchyroll here. This is probably referring to something similar to the geneva convention (or the hague convention from 1909) in our world. But that spelling, ouch.




It's a real historical treaty, Worms is a city in Germany where it was signed.

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This show is probably my most anticipated for the season and, sadly, I was disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the action was great and they did well not only setting up a tense atmosphere, but showing how much of a hell war can be - the problem was the characters.

I hate Tanya.

There, I said it. I hate her. It's not even because she is more villainous than heroic, there is just nothing about her that makes me want to root for her, let alone leave me with any interest in her desires. I fully admit this could change (after all it is only episode 1), yet if something doesn'the change character wise I can't picture myself enjoying this series much. (Is there going to be any likeable characters?) I do have several predictions about what will happen to Tanya later on, most of which aren't pleasant though.

On a side note, the design and magic system will also take some getting used to.
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I read a review about the episode and thought I would hate it. I watched it out of morbid curiosity anyway. My overall first impression was Tanya's strategy makes sense from a cold logical point of view. Putting the guys who openly declare they want to die in a trap to replace other soldiers who might be better subordinates was an interesting move. Also, she may have wiped out the enemy's company as a move to strike fear in the other country and stop the invasion (aka prevent more Empire deaths in the future). Also, if the army really does run like an organization and everyone disobeys rules then the military strategies would stop working. Making an example of disobedient subordinates who declare they want to die gets her and the army theoretically further ahead. She's playing the battlefield like a chess game more then an emotional one.
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The best part of the episode were those final seconds.

Studio NUT didn't disappoint.

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It's refreshing seeing an anime set in WWI in the European theater for a change. While WWII could be considered mostly black & white WWI was a game of politics, old men seeking glory, and monarchies hoping to annex more territory. It was a horrific meat-grinder and there was more than enough blood shed needlessly to drown the leaderships on all sides. There was no great evil to defeat, no grand heroes riding to the rescue. Just relentless death and violence.
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This show is probably my most anticipated for the season and, sadly, I was disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the action was great and they did well not only setting up a tense atmosphere, but showing how much of a hell war can be - the problem was the characters.

I hate Tanya.

There, I said it. I hate her. It's not even because she is more villainous than heroic, there is just nothing about her that makes me want to root for her, let alone leave me with any interest in her desires. I fully admit this could change (after all it is only episode 1), yet if something doesn'the change character wise I can't picture myself enjoying this series much. (Is there going to be any likeable characters?) I do have several predictions about what will happen to Tanya later on, most of which aren't pleasant though.

On a side note, the design and magic system will also take some getting used to.



Tanya dose have a deeper and more complicated background than you might expect but.....it's not really one that makes her a more sympathetic character. It dose make her very interesting though. Ultimately she is much more than she appears to be
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Something I like about watching anime is that so many animes are like an experiment to reveal what I (and others) will and will not accept.
This is definitely one of those animes that is full of bizarre concepts thrown in a blender (WW1, loli, magic, salaryman, what?) that it's going to give interesting results.

I'm willing to accept a loli can be an officer, feared and respected by her troops and always about to go 40K Commissar+Lina Inverse on somebody. What's really grinding my gears is the glasses guy with the long hair. What kind of army would tolerate this decadent hair? I wanna yell "Get a haircut, ya hippie!" every time he's on screen.

I don't like how magic is implemented here. It's presented more like some kind of high technology like hover boots and bullets that explode like shells. The horse motif on the French guys' hover things is a nice touch, but the 'magic' that looks like sci-fi technology feels incongruous when paired alongside bolt action rifles. I would have preferred a more 'traditional ' magic.

When I wonder, 'how does someone come up with this premise?', the answer must be: obviously, there is an under-served market for Prussian lolis. XD
I'm worried I'm going to end up finding this unpalatable, but it's entertaining enough I'm going to keep watching and see.
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This show doesn't seem like it'd be just another one of those involving the use of magic in a world war. It's grimmer than the last one I saw (Shuumatsu no Izetta) but not as dark as I had hoped it'd be. I do think it'd get darker.

Viktorya's eyes though.
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There is a picture in the WN/LN showing her being stuffed into a dress ...just the contrast between the psycho face and her despair face is hilarious, well maybe the later calls for some sympathy.
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