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I can't speak for what the production staff of the anime will do but the manga has no Sakie fanservice. It actually makes a point about her conscious effort to avoid it and minimise the effects of her succubus powers.
She's actually quite a sad, lonely and sympathetic character later on.



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As nice and heart warming as this series is, there is also some important messages in this. In part this is a series about people with disabilities and how society treats them. The way Matchi's classmates try to avoid the topic of her head being the most obvious example of it.



It is otherwise informed posts like these that raise flags about this show. The whole idea of Yokai (demi) being the == disabled people is a false premise. It is saying Gods are disabled, "because you cannot see them".

Being demi-human is a sheer blessing, not a curse. Something to be respected, not shunned. Least not forget, even the headless (chicken; old FUNimation reference of mine), if u remember, has power to insta kill anyone by pointing at them/something.

A succubus that "has problems"? Vampire that freaks out? This is like denying the tide. The only disability I see here this far, is the characters mental inabilities to acknowledge who they are. Hopefully I am wrong.


I could go on to make IRL comparisons; in interest of not getting every Hillary/democrat supporter to hate me, will stop there. Nevertheless, if this show becomes "a pity festival" as opposed to its titular premise, mez is out. We shall see, indeed.....
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Having watched the first episode a few times (a rarity for me to watch anything more than once) I think the most refreshing part of the series is that it's being told through the eyes of a teacher. An adult male teacher at that

I've not read the manga but hopefully this means it isn't going to devolve into some sort of harem. And while Hikari shows some sort of interest in Takahashi I get the impression that's driven more by her having someone to talk to about being a demi which I feel like is going to be a recurring theme. Not in the "pity the disabled" sort of way but in the "let's all be normal" sort of way. The series points out at the onset that demis have faced discrimination and persecution in the past. Non-demis might be trying hard to make a space for demis and make them feel "normal" while demis are trying hard to be "normal". In the end the demis have no one to talk to about the difficulties of being a demi. Double dose of that sense with the series being set in Japan where "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down".

A recurring theme in anime/manga is the idea of allowing people who are different to just be different. That the world isn't going to end if people are allowed to be themselves or speak their minds. It's a literary "rebellion" against Japanese society's insistence on conformity.
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domvina wrote: The series points out at the onset that demis have faced discrimination and persecution in the past. Non-demis might be trying hard to make a space for demis and make them feel "normal" while demis are trying hard to be "normal". In the end the demis have no one to talk to about the difficulties of being a demi. Double dose of that sense with the series being set in Japan where "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down".

A recurring theme in anime/manga is the idea of allowing people who are different to just be different. That the world isn't going to end if people are allowed to be themselves or speak their minds. It's a literary "rebellion" against Japanese society's insistence on conformity.



Hmm, yes but a few points...


1. The reason demis (in theory, anyway) have animosity against them from a human standpoint; wasn't due to some sort of discrimination, but because "monsters feed off of humans", so basically a wartime view. Vamps/succubus whatever eat humans, humans don't like that of course.

2. There may be technical exceptions to this, case in point the anime (on CR; very good one too) "Otome Yokai Zakuro"; nevertheless, in this anime, all 4 types were considered (or are) demons that feed on humans. So the relation isn't some sorta "racist" thing, but one of survival.

3. Yes, your observations about the literary attempt at this show may be correct, nevertheless I do not see the anime's correlation of them justified. Yokai/demis are not some poor innocent victims being "legitimately raped"; their existence is/was inherently adversarial, as they are far stronger in general then humans. "Blaming the victim" of their violence (humans) for their current state, is not a strategy.

4. On another note, yes the line about the hammer is correct in terms of famous Japanese lore; from an articulate observation of Japanese history it is nothing but ironic. The story of Japanese people has always been about people trying to "stick out" intentionally, whereas be honor on battlefield or otherwise; that phrase seems to exist only to regulate "commoners" into beating them psychologically into submission and not true reflection on the actually realized Japanese culture. Although this is beyond scope of conversation, another debate perhaps.
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MacMeaties wrote:
I can't speak for what the production staff of the anime will do but the manga has no Sakie fanservice. It actually makes a point about her conscious effort to avoid it and minimise the effects of her succubus powers.
She's actually quite a sad, lonely and sympathetic character later on.



Greylurker wrote:

As nice and heart warming as this series is, there is also some important messages in this. In part this is a series about people with disabilities and how society treats them. The way Matchi's classmates try to avoid the topic of her head being the most obvious example of it.



It is otherwise informed posts like these that raise flags about this show. The whole idea of Yokai (demi) being the == disabled people is a false premise. It is saying Gods are disabled, "because you cannot see them".

Being demi-human is a sheer blessing, not a curse. Something to be respected, not shunned. Least not forget, even the headless (chicken; old FUNimation reference of mine), if u remember, has power to insta kill anyone by pointing at them/something.

A succubus that "has problems"? Vampire that freaks out? This is like denying the tide. The only disability I see here this far, is the characters mental inabilities to acknowledge who they are. Hopefully I am wrong.


I could go on to make IRL comparisons; in interest of not getting every Hillary/democrat supporter to hate me, will stop there. Nevertheless, if this show becomes "a pity festival" as opposed to its titular premise, mez is out. We shall see, indeed.....


Thing is they don't have supernatural abilities much in this series. It becomes more clear as the series goes on but



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Thing is they don't have supernatural abilities much in this series. It becomes more clear as the series goes on but



Meh, this discussion thread really is confusing me. At first, I thought had some sort of idea on this show, apparently not. If they don't have unconventional "abilities".....

Then they are not "supernatural"...


WTF is this show actually about? Is this "Interviews With Monster Girls", or is this "Interviews With *Fake Monster Girls"? If all they do is talk about "lame" versions of Yokai; what exactly are we learning, again? Perhaps, this is asking too much for a show regarding concepts that do not exist in this version of Earth (us) universe.


...'tsk, 'tsk. This show is on probation. If me not convinced next episode, it gets dropped like hot rock. I don't have time for delusional, touchy feely, preechy human drama nonsense. But no matter......
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Hmm, yes but a few points...


1. The reason demis (in theory, anyway) have animosity against them from a human standpoint; wasn't due to some sort of discrimination, but because "monsters feed off of humans", so basically a wartime view. Vamps/succubus whatever eat humans, humans don't like that of course.

2. There may be technical exceptions to this, case in point the anime (on CR; very good one too) "Otome Yokai Zakuro"; nevertheless, in this anime, all 4 types were considered (or are) demons that feed on humans. So the relation isn't some sorta "racist" thing, but one of survival.

3. Yes, your observations about the literary attempt at this show may be correct, nevertheless I do not see the anime's correlation of them justified. Yokai/demis are not some poor innocent victims being "legitimately raped"; their existence is/was inherently adversarial, as they are far stronger in general then humans. "Blaming the victim" of their violence (humans) for their current state, is not a strategy.

4. On another note, yes the line about the hammer is correct in terms of famous Japanese lore; from an articulate observation of Japanese history it is nothing but ironic. The story of Japanese people has always been about people trying to "stick out" intentionally, whereas be honor on battlefield or otherwise; that phrase seems to exist only to regulate "commoners" into beating them psychologically into submission and not true reflection on the actually realized Japanese culture. Although this is beyond scope of conversation, another debate perhaps.


I have no experience with the manga so I'm not sure how closely it follows the lore behind the "monsters" the demis are associated with though given the first interview we see with Hikari it seems the only part of the vampire lore that is factual in the series' world is the desire to drink blood. And even that isn't a necessity.

From here forward I'm talking out of my ass but it seems to me like the demis' situation is similar to that of "witches" in Europe and America. Women who used medicinal herbs and had certain ritual practices that were in no way supernatural but were ascribed a number of fantastical attributes by people who feared and/or hated them. Even today modern "witches" are often looked at sideways by certain people who can't separate the reality of what the women actually do with the made up lore.

Now am I saying there weren't "evil" demis who abused their abilities? No. But I get the feeling in the series' world it's much like the situation with witches in our world. Looking past the stories and lies and seeing the actual individual for who and what they really are.
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It's a slice of life comedy about people with unusual physiologies. Explaining some of the things you want explained episode 1 would spoil quite a lot of what transpires later in the series. Some of them do have powers but those powers are double edged swords. Sakie being the most extreme and you'll understand why it isn't a "blessing" when it gets to that part of the story.

If you picked this up because you were expecting Shamsiel Shahar, Celty, Alucard and Mizore Shirayuki in a high school version of MonMusu you should drop it now.
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From here forward I'm talking out of my ass but it seems to me like the demis' situation is similar to that of "witches" in Europe and America. Women who used medicinal herbs and had certain ritual practices that were in no way supernatural but were ascribed a number of fantastical attributes by people who feared and/or hated them. Even today modern "witches" are often looked at sideways by certain people who can't separate the reality of what the women actually do with the made up lore.

Now am I saying there weren't "evil" demis who abused their abilities? No. But I get the feeling in the series' world it's much like the situation with witches in our world. Looking past the stories and lies and seeing the actual individual for who and what they really are.


So, then I was right? "Interviews with *Fake Monster Girls". But no matter.....


MacMeaties wrote:

If you picked this up because you were expecting Shamsiel Shahar, Celty, Alucard and Mizore Shirayuki in a high school version of MonMusu you should drop it now.



I was thinking this show more/less like "Rosario + Vampire" in terms of "monsterness" of characters, minus the "fanservice" of course. So a serious take of the show, perhaps.


Upon further consideration, you may have a point. But I wasn't expecting a fanservice title like MonMusa, though either. Was looking for a serious title with monster elements.


BTW, thank u for the post. At first, I had 0 idea what u were talking about. Then I realized me need to watch that show; and it seems to still be here on CR. Me forgets sometimes....
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So, then I was right? "Interviews with *Fake Monster Girls". But no matter.....


I think what we have is a failure of translation. Actually, not a failure but an issue of cultural understandings of meaning. I'm going to double check with a couple of Japanese friends but from my understanding "亜人" doesn't mean "monster" but demi-humans or sub-humans as one dictionary listed it. So "fake" in the sense they aren't the supernatural creatures of legend from our world but "real" in the sense they have some of the attributes of supernatural creatures from our world. It's like how "yokai" is often translated as "demon" but the cultural understandings behind the two words are quite different. Where a demon is universally viewed as evil a yokai can be evil, good, or indifferent.
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Whatever the hell people want to classify the show or the characters as... tell me what it's called so I can watch more of it.
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It's like how "yokai" is often translated as "demon" but the cultural understandings behind the two words are quite different. Where a demon is universally viewed as evil a yokai can be evil, good, or indifferent.



Meh, more like MINO (monster in name only).


Whether it is demi-human, Yokai or whatever u want to call it..... Zees girls iz rs pathetic.


Perhaps I have some "anger management issues" today. But if this show becomes a pity fest coping with "monster insecurities"; using it as a proxy for IRL conversation on "real-world discrimination", instead of an actual academic study of mobs (which MC seems to want), well then....



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Whatever the hell people want to classify the show or the characters as... tell me what it's called so I can watch more of it.


Name of Thread=(English) Name of Show


On the app now, episode 2 is tomorrow or something.
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Yamstarch wrote:

Whatever the hell people want to classify the show or the characters as... tell me what it's called so I can watch more of it.


Name of Thread=(English) Name of Show


On the app now, episode 2 is tomorrow or something.


I was being facetious
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I was being facetious


'touche...



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TheGrandAlliance wrote:I was thinking this show more/less like "Rosario + Vampire" in terms of "monsterness" of characters, minus the "fanservice" of course. So a serious take of the show, perhaps.


Upon further consideration, you may have a point. But I wasn't expecting a fanservice title like MonMusa, though either. Was looking for a serious title with monster elements.


BTW, thank u for the post. At first, I had 0 idea what u were talking about. Then I realized me need to watch that show; and it seems to still be here on CR. Me forgets sometimes....


Np.

They are "monster girls" in the sense that they are the reality behind the myth. To use a real world comparison it is like the kraken. Kraken were monstrous squid that attacked and sank ships but in reality the myth was little more than gross exaggeration and tall tales of giant and colossal squid sightings, two very real animals.

The demis within this series universe are much the same as that. They exist and they do have odd physiologies and even some abilities but the myths of vampires, dullahan, succubus and yuki onna are exaggerations and tall tales based on them.


The series is a light hearted SoL which does deal with some marginally serious topics (mostly regarding Sakie and how her abilities affect her and others) but never in a overly serious way. It's basically a Cute Girls Doing Cute Things series.

If you want a more serious take on monsters I'd wait for Centaur no Nayami to be released. We don't know when that is out but the anime adaptation of it is confirmed. That, despite being a SoL, does get quite serious in tone especially with its political and social commentary/satire on racism, segregation and SJ culture.
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