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Post Reply Re-evaluating the Meaning of Social Advancement
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I had mentioned a few times on how social advancement did not lead to better quality of life and I should discuss it in details now. The popular Western belief is that the shift into a more advanced society is motivated by the desire of a better life; in fact, it is used as a satisfying explanation of mass immigration to the Western countries while hiding many other motivating forces. This popular logic is overturned a century ago when some anthropologists study the Ju`hoansi, a band of hunter-gatherers in Africa.

The Ju’hoansi do not raise their own food and they live in the dry rocky savanna that is considered ‘barren land’ by local travelers but the Ju’hoansi never face starvation. The Ju’hoansi only spend two hours each day to obtain food and pick only a small portion of all possible food sources for consumption except under periods of food shortage; in fact, they gain as much nutrition as the Western citizens. Physicians who examine Ju`hoansi children report them in good health by tropical standard. The Ju’hoansi also suffer less from disease since they do not live near suitable breeding ground for disease and do not live with many people.

The study of more 'primitive' societies like this obviously raise a question: If a more basic society provide a better quality of life than more advanced society, then why do people decide to live in a more advanced society? Anthropologists found an answer to this question: advanced society can sustain greater population density and manage big projects compared with more basic society.
Another related question is why do people immigrant to the Western nations when more basic societies provide a better quality of life. There are some explanations related to global Capitalism: 1) The transnational corporate is destroying the natural environment which provide the vital resources, like clean water, used to sustain basic society; 2) The corporate setup a puppet government who will steal the land from the locals and force the locals to move to the urban areas where they work under harsh living condition with low wage; 3) The developed countries offer a market for international criminal activities which negatively impacted the living condition in the developing countries.
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I hope this is just a troll.
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The answer relies on "what a time to be alive" memes
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People will put up with a lot to ensure ( or a 'promise' of) a full stomach and roof over their head. And then they want to live without the fear of losing it and will put up with even more for that promise.
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This topic is bad and you should feel bad.
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If by better quality of life, you mean happiness then yes, living in the developed world does not ensure more happiness.

Cultures that focuses on gratitude and selflessness tend to have more happier people. Unfortunately that can get diluted when you are raised to believe that being selfish is the key to survival.
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Didn't read it.
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

If by better quality of life, you mean happiness then yes, living in the developed world does not ensure more happiness.

Cultures that focuses on gratitude and selflessness tend to have more happier people. Unfortunately that can get diluted when you are raised to believe that being selfish is the key to survival.


In this post, I use quality of life to refer to the physical well-being. However, many hunter-gatherer bands also experience more social equality and, depending on the environments and cultures, may experience less violence in general compared to their counterparts in the agriculture and industrial societies. I am presenting this findings because it overturn the whole notion of social progress in the Western worldview (and possibly the worldview of other developed countries): the idea that economic advancement improve physical well-being and lessen workload is never challenged by sci-fiction shows. There are many recent anime that oppose some unchallenged beliefs in the popular culture but none ever challenged the traditional notion of economic progress.
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This revolution that social advancement actually lead to worse physical well-being and more labor demands support the Capitalist idea of progress by competition but it evoke a comparison between the traditional notion of progress and Capitalism: The Capitalists always mention how competition does something but they never mention whether competition benefit the society; The traditional notion of progress imply personal incentive for progress without competition but the Capitalists counter this idea by claiming that competition is the only incentive for progress.
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The OP is like that really terrible video game boss that reoccurs.
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I'm beginning to wonder if this is Deyre's new account....
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Interesting opinion, but I don't think it's always true that groups considered to be more primitive by first world standards are always just as or more happy than people living in first world countries. It depends on the individual, country, people around them, customs, etc. For example, some women in third world countries have especially shitty lives, having to deal with female circumcision and arranged marriages to old men.
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Didn't read it.


^ Same. Was going to until I saw that wall of text.
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Nothing is stopping you living like that why don't you? I prefer having the convinces that the ''developed'' world has to offer and the freedoms a democracy has and that if I get really sick the hospital is always there for me and that my food for the day doesn't have a factor of luck into it along with water I'm not arguing that they aren't more happy because they probably are I'm saying that if that's the kind of life you want nothing is stopping you.
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