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Yeah, I doubt anything CNN says anymore can be trusted to be true.


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Here is the full 35 page dossier then. Read for yourself. -.-


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of all else, a left-leaning mainstream news source, NY Times, calls the report unsubstantiated and unverified



The summary is based on memos generated by political operatives seeking to derail Mr. Trump’s candidacy.
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The material was not corroborated, and The New York Times has not been able to confirm the claims.
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The decision of top intelligence officials to give the president, the president-elect and the so-called Gang of Eight — Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and the intelligence committees — what they know to be unverified, defamatory material was extremely unusual.
The appendix summarized opposition research memos prepared mainly by a retired British intelligence operative for a Washington political and corporate research firm. The firm was paid for its work first by Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals and later by supporters of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. The Times has checked on a number of the details included in the memos but has been unable to substantiate them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html

tl;dr nothing was proven, though of course CNN will report as though that was the case.
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When the hell did people become so trusting of Russia?


Its more like our trust in the media has fallen so low that Russia looks credible in comparison.

That happens when for a year and a half you notice the media is completely incapable of quoting or not modifying sound clips. I would watch live debates then see what the media had to say and I wondered to myself " did these guys even watch the same thing I did". Someone would say a point and the media spun it to the point where the whole report was just fiction.

It happened to all candidates. Some got it spun positively and others negatively. I wasn't even a Bernie supporter and I was pissed what they did to him. They character assassinated him and though no one would notice then doubled down on it.
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According to Source D, where s/he had been present, Trump’s conduct in Moscow included hiring the Presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and Mrs Obama had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a golden shower show in front of him.




Is Pre-Presidential impeachment a thing?

Cause presidents have been impeached for less.
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octorockandroll wrote:

When the hell did people become so trusting of Russia?


Its more like our trust in the media has fallen so low that Russia looks credible in comparison.

That happens when for a year and a half you notice the media is completely incapable of quoting or not modifying sound clips. I would watch live debates then see what the media had to say and I wondered to myself " did these guys even watch the same thing I did". Someone would say a point and the media spun it to the point where the whole report was just fiction.

It happened to all candidates. Some got it spun positively and others negatively. I wasn't even a Bernie supporter and I was pissed what they did to him. They character assassinated him and though no one would notice then doubled down on it.


Good point, I guess I can see that.
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octorockandroll wrote:
I mean it is a russian sounding name...



According to Source D, where s/he had been present, Trump’s conduct in Moscow included hiring the Presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and Mrs Obama had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a golden shower show in front of him.


This is going to go so much worse before it gets any better isn't it.

Trump is now screaming on Twitter in all caps too in response to the news reports. Which just lends more credence to this. ;p



Is this from a tabloid or a fan fiction?
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Rujikin wrote:


runec wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:
I mean it is a russian sounding name...



According to Source D, where s/he had been present, Trump’s conduct in Moscow included hiring the Presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and Mrs Obama had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a golden shower show in front of him.


This is going to go so much worse before it gets any better isn't it.

Trump is now screaming on Twitter in all caps too in response to the news reports. Which just lends more credence to this. ;p



Is this from a tabloid or a fan fiction?


It's fanfiction. In fact the guy that wrote the shit all up says they even added more crazy shit to the stories.

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octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

When the hell did people become so trusting of Russia?


Its more like our trust in the media has fallen so low that Russia looks credible in comparison.


Good point, I guess I can see that.


Except Russia has a state controlled media that says only what Putin wants it too. So anyone that thinks Russia seems more credible doesn't know the first thing about Russia. -.-

Also, Ruji, I don't recall any protests from you when said media spin was working through emailghazi.
Posted 1/10/17 , edited 1/10/17

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of all else, a left-leaning mainstream news source, NY Times, calls the report unsubstantiated and unverified



The summary is based on memos generated by political operatives seeking to derail Mr. Trump’s candidacy.
...
The material was not corroborated, and The New York Times has not been able to confirm the claims.
...
The decision of top intelligence officials to give the president, the president-elect and the so-called Gang of Eight — Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and the intelligence committees — what they know to be unverified, defamatory material was extremely unusual.
The appendix summarized opposition research memos prepared mainly by a retired British intelligence operative for a Washington political and corporate research firm. The firm was paid for its work first by Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals and later by supporters of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. The Times has checked on a number of the details included in the memos but has been unable to substantiate them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html

tl;dr nothing was proven, though of course CNN will report as though that was the case.


Second paragraph of the CNN story




The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.

I don't know that pretty much says unconfirmed to me. That and the fact they are reported as allegations. If you are getting confirmed info from that then I have to wonder if we're reading the same story.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

of all else, a left-leaning mainstream news source, NY Times, calls the report unsubstantiated and unverified

tl;dr nothing was proven, though of course CNN will report as though that was the case.


The CNN report doesn't say that the connections are proven. Their article mentions only that the chief directors of the various national security agencies had briefed President Obama and Donald Trump on allegations regarding Russian possession of compromising information, as well as his connections to Russia. They also mention that an investigation is still ongoing with the FBI.

It's easy to misinterpret news and take it out of context, so I'm just clarifying here as well that nothing has been outright proven yet, only that it's become a fairly high-profile issue with our security agencies.
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Trump and pepe shared prostitutes.
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I haven't seen anything credible in those comments to suggest they really did do it. That screen shot quote isnt in the real documents.
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