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Err Alex Jones, you mean the guy that thinks the UK government is creating fish people babies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4


I think my favorite Alex Jones video is the one about the military developing a "gay bomb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMW35WqyqK8
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Second paragraph of the CNN story




The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.

I don't know that pretty much says unconfirmed to me. That and the fact they are reported as allegations. If you are getting confirmed info from that then I have to wonder if we're reading the same story.


ah, my bad. i skimmed through the text, and it did appear that way. possibly because of the way it was reported...


The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible.
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Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago.

tl;dr "while we don't have proof, the source is definitely credible / trusted"
NYTimes was far more careful in their assessment - they even avoided saying "credible" or "trusted" anywhere in their article - correctly knowing that it could be misleading.
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OMFG here is the documents. Read the second paragraph: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html


So far Trump has declined various sweetener real estate deals offered hum in Russia to further the Kremlins cultivation of him.


He has declined sweetener real estate deals! ROFL omg the Chans just broke our intelligence agencies!
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When this is proven to be a BS news story again, Trump is going to be able to pull whatever he wants and nobody is going to believe the media when they bitch about it.
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Rujikin wrote:

Oh look CNN creating more news out of nothing to try to stay relevant, how cute.

'Member when Russia closed American diplomat schools because Obama kicked Russian diplomats out? Oh wait that never happened it was all in CNN's head.

http://www.infowars.com/cnn-runs-fake-news-story-about-russia-closing-anglo-american-school-in-moscow/


infowars? really?



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CNN and anyone else who reported on this was trolled by /pol/

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/95568919/#95571329
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Err Alex Jones, you mean the guy that thinks the UK government is creating fish people babies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4


I think my favorite Alex Jones video is the one about the military developing a "gay bomb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMW35WqyqK8


Wow...

I just hope whatever it was I forgot to make room for that memory wasn't something important. Or even remotely significant in any way for that matter.
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Rujikin wrote:
Anonymous ID:zNaYmBg5 Tue 01 Nov 2016 16:28:57 No.95571329 Report
So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it.
They still believe it. Guys, they're truly fucking desperate - there's no remaining Trump scandal that's credible.


How does trolling Rick Wilson on Twitter factor into the current story? Especially with no source to the topic or tweet being referred to.





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Wow...

I just hope whatever it was I forgot to make room for that memory wasn't something important. Or even remotely significant in any way for that matter.


Haha that video is hard to watch, I wanted to link the actual video but that would give Alex Jones more views. All the others were 10 minute commentaries from people talking about how crazy Alex Jones is.
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Rujikin wrote:

So.... Yeah I was shown this from the 4chan archives. This has been a trolling that has gone on for months:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/95568919/#95571329

Anonymous ID:zNaYmBg5 Tue 01 Nov 2016 16:28:57 No.95571329 Report
So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it.
They still believe it. Guys, they're truly fucking desperate - there's no remaining Trump scandal that's credible.


Again, that doesn't seem to verify anything. If he did send messages to various officials, it's not clear what messages he sent, or if they even match with the intelligence briefings (even the post you linked to sounds like he's suggesting they're not the same). When all we've seen is an unsubstantiated claim of ownership and a one-sentence claim-to-victory post, it just doesn't seem substantial enough to go by, unless you're seeing something else that makes it a lot more evident.
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Not even /pol/ is buying it in the current thread. -.-

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Not even /pol/ is buying it in the current thread. -.-



Thankfully it looks like CR isn't either.
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there's a good chance 4chan is trolling people by claiming to be the culprit / claiming to have trolled the media
i have hope our intelligence agencies know better than to get their sources from some random anon on a troll site.
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Trump appreciates you swallowing his lies.
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Not even /pol/ is buying it in the current thread. -.-



Buzzfeed is turning around on it now haha: https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.ynjZLQJyeV#.hdPXwjMlrA

The document was prepared for political opponents of Trump by a person who is understood to be a former British intelligence agent. It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy.
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runec wrote:

Not even /pol/ is buying it in the current thread. -.-



Buzzfeed is turning around on it now haha: https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.ynjZLQJyeV#.hdPXwjMlrA

The document was prepared for political opponents of Trump by a person who is understood to be a former British intelligence agent. It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy.


I think you might be misunderstanding runec's post, and also what Buzzfeed is reporting.

runec, I believe, was suggesting that /pol/ doesn't believe the anon poster's claim to having trolled the FBI.

As for Buzzfeed, if I'm recalling correctly, the information gathered "by political opponents" supposedly came from a former British intelligence agent, originally hired by Trump's Republican adversaries leading up to the Republican nominations. After Trump won the primaries, the former agent was again hired by Democratic adversaries to continue the investigation.

Buzzfeed seems to just be maintaining the message that the memos are unverified (which is what the various news outlets, including CNN, have been saying so far), but also pointing out that they appear to contain some factual mistakes, albeit seemingly inconsequential ones so far (though I guess we'll find out soon enough with more media/social analysis of its contents).
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Buzzfeed didn't claim otherwise to begin with. No one has claimed its verified. Reporting an allegation is not the same as declaring that the allegation real.

Now, you can debate whether or not what Buzzfeed has released is the real dossier or not, but that doesn't change the fact that the memos and dossier exist and are being investigated by intelligence agencies. With it being a matter important enough to brief Obama, Trump and the gang of eight on.

Furthermore, this research was originally funded by Republicans. So you can't dismiss it as a Liberal Ploy(tm). Unless you're suggesting that /pol/ was trolling the GOP?

Buzzfeed has essentially jumped on the grenade here. Whether their document is real or not they broke the story and cleared the way for other news organizations. This was going to leak one way or another before the intelligence community could catch up with it.

However, seeing as the memos in question stretch back months and are known of by major leaders of both parties and the intelligence community its unlikely 4chan trolls can retroactively claim its a prank with any legitimacy. You're not going to dupe the FBI with a single tweet as is claimed by that archived pol thread of yours.

If its reached the stage of becoming an intel briefing for the president and president-elect its well past the point you can claim its a prank from /pol/.

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