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WARNING: i know not all Americans are like this i'm stereotyping/ going off the majority of people i have met from America so don't take this as literally me saying it's true.


I know taxes cost way more then they should in America but every time i speak to an American about Healthcare or Education they see it as a privilege instead of a right....from a developed countries point of view that is very odd.

Now i was just reading a reddit thread about a guy who got his cancer treatment paid via taxes mostly and i thought good that's how it should be.

Next thing i know i see all these selfish people writing "I paid for that why should i pay for something i don't use"
The only thing i could think is how selfish are these people...in a society its the job of citizens to pay work and pay taxes to help with roads etc.

Things like Healthcare and Education are important things taxes should goto.
Yes taxes cost more but its for the greater good and helps those who are in need.

People are to selfish and arrogant from where i am looking and i honestly worry for America and the people who i know who live there.

I'm lucky to be in a country where our healthcare and education is paid for by taxes.
So what do you all think sorry i wanted to rant somewhere because seeing people be like that really annoys me we should be working together for the greater good of everyone.
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American values focus on the rights of a person and individualism, rather than the greater good of people. Not that they don't care about it, they just put priority over the first.

If fixing something is going to mean more tax burden, you can bet it is going to take a long time for it to be fixed.
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To be fair its more cultural than anything.

I think it has a lot to do with the "pick your own self up from the bootstraps" mentality when it comes to getting ahead and achieving the American Dream.
Right or wrong, I think a lot of it originated from a cultural that has had waves upon waves of poor immigrants who had nothing and worked hard to achieve what they have, in many cases arrived with little support system in place, and that line of thinking has been passed on to their children and so on and so forth.

There is not as much of a real group mentality when it comes to the general well being, but rather a focus on the individual. In general we are fiscally further right than our European counterparts. Well that and many of the middle class already feels like it is paying its fair share of taxes, and the idea of losing 50% of your paycheck to Uncle Sam is not something that many and myself would be happy with.

Healthcare and education issues are not just a funding issue though. We have a corporate campaign finance problem that promotes corruption, waste and giving taxpayer money to special interests (health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, private student loan lenders, banks, etc.). Until this problem is dealt with I feel that no about of additional tax revenue is going to get us the results you are referring to. Too many bloodsucking vampires taking money out of the system into their own pockets instead of benefiting the general public.

EDIT: No culture is perfect,Europe may have better social class mobility in many countries, but individual rights can be quite a bit more restrictive. I keep reading more and more about the censorship of free speech supposedly in the name of tolerance and diversity, but as an American I accept that even controversial speech must be defended so that government silencing of opposition opinions never becomes a reality.

I suppose all I am saying is that while its perfectly fine to criticize another country's outlook on economic and social issues, saying that it is a matter of us not caring about others is a blanket oversimplification of a culture difference/philosophy that perhaps goes back as far as the founding of this nation.
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Makes sense i can understand that value and focus.
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It has more or less been shown that government and taxes are why all those things are "unaffordable", so it should be asked why you are so free with other people's money.

We need more intra and interstate competition, not more taxes or government dickery.
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Let's say you have a fat lazy ass that weights 500lbs, doesn't work because they are on disability due to being fat, and have constant health problems. They have at least $100,000 in health problems a year because they eat nothing but McDonalds and hot pockets.

Then you have yourself. You stay fit, eat good, healthy, and don't even need to go to the doctor.

Why should I pay for that fat lazy ass when they won't even bother taking care of themselves and they are just a drain on the tax payers. My taxes will be raised to pay for someone's lazy life style while I get shafted because I actually care about myself and work.


TTo put it simply you are rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior.
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Let's say you have a fat lazy ass that weights 500lbs, doesn't work because they are on disability due to being fat, and have constant health problems. They have at least $100,000 in health problems a year because they eat nothing but McDonalds and hot pockets.

Then you have yourself. You stay fit, eat good, healthy, and don't even need to go to the doctor.

Why should I pay for that fat lazy ass when they won't even bother taking care of themselves and they are just a drain on the tax payers. My taxes will be raised to pay for someone's lazy life style while I get shafted because I actually care about myself and work.


TTo put it simply you are rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior.



Yes there will be the bad apples in the bunch but you shouldn't stop something good just because of those bad apples.
That's just a poor excuse not to pay taxes to help others who are in need imo.
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Americans don't have faith that their taxes actually get put to good use. Even though there's so many different taxes that are expensive, it seems like nothing gets done. The roads are still bad, the whole healthcare ordeal made so many families struggle because of the massive jump in price, and everyone knows how infamous American schooling is. There's also so many people that abuse government things because they're lazy. My mother is one of these people, and it disgusts me how she can live a free ride while I try to work my ass off and be a decent member of society, yet I still struggle more and end up paying for degenerates like her.

The main idea is "you take care of you, I take care of me, and then everyone is covered" as well, although with this strong social justice and "work together and love!!!" crap that's sweeping the world, this idea of actually taking care of your own hardships is becoming unpopular. I strongly agree with being independent. Ideally, I want to pay as little as possible for taxes so that it covers others in emergency or very difficult situations, such as cancer or needing an emergency operation, but I do not want to be paying for some whiny cunt's pain pills because they decide to visit the hospital every time they slip and fall in their ass. They should take care of themselves at some point.

Basically, I don't want help, and I don't want to help others that don't need it. The argument of when someone "needs" help is its own topic.
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I think I read like 45% of Americans pay no income tax at all. A good chunk of tax money goes right into the pockets of politicians and their pet projects, like studies on cow farts. Very little of tax dollars actually makes it to those that need it, infrastructure repairs or improvements.
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Yes there will be the bad apples in the bunch but you shouldn't stop something good just because of those bad apples.
That's just a poor excuse not to pay taxes to help others who are in need imo.


Keep in mind the obesity rate in America. The bad apples seem like they are the majority. My mother is one of these people, and I can think of plenty more that I know. Whether they are the actual majority of not (i guarantee they aren't because that would be crazy), the percentage of people who "abuse" the systems because they are lazy and simply don't want to try is very high.
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Ryulightorb wrote


Yes there will be the bad apples in the bunch but you shouldn't stop something good just because of those bad apples.
That's just a poor excuse not to pay taxes to help others who are in need imo.


Keep in mind the obesity rate in America. The bad apples seem like they are the majority. My mother is one of these people, and I can think of plenty more that I know. Whether they are the actual majority of not (i guarantee they aren't because that would be crazy), the percentage of people who "abuse" the systems because they are lazy and simply don't want to try is very high.


That is a valid point but that just points to a need for an improved system then avoidance.
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Americans don't have faith that their taxes actually get put to good use. Even though there's so many different taxes that are expensive, it seems like nothing gets done. The roads are still bad, the whole healthcare ordeal made so many families struggle because of the massive jump in price, and everyone knows how infamous American schooling is. There's also so many people that abuse government things because they're lazy. My mother is one of these people, and it disgusts me how she can live a free ride while I try to work my ass off and be a decent member of society, yet I still struggle more and end up paying for degenerates like her.

The main idea is "you take care of you, I take care of me, and then everyone is covered" as well, although with this strong social justice and "work together and love!!!" crap that's sweeping the world, this idea of actually taking care of your own hardships is becoming unpopular. I strongly agree with being independent. Ideally, I want to pay as little as possible for taxes so that it covers others in emergency or very difficult situations, such as cancer or needing an emergency operation, but I do not want to be paying for some whiny cunt's pain pills because they decide to visit the hospital every time they slip and fall in their ass. They should take care of themselves at some point.

Basically, I don't want help, and I don't want to help others that don't need it. The argument of when someone "needs" help is its own topic.



That's fair enough i don't believe in the same ideaology i guess i believe everyone can do with some help to a degree.
Posted 1/10/17

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That's fair enough i don't believe in the same ideaology i guess i believe everyone can do with some help to a degree.


Many people become dependent on that help and don't bother to work again.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


That's fair enough i don't believe in the same ideaology i guess i believe everyone can do with some help to a degree.


Many people become dependent on that help and don't bother to work again.


Which is why systems need to be in place.

Where i live to get and sort of support you need proof you are trying to find a job or work to some degree
Posted 1/10/17

Ryulightorb wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


That's fair enough i don't believe in the same ideaology i guess i believe everyone can do with some help to a degree.


Many people become dependent on that help and don't bother to work again.


Which is why systems need to be in place.

Where i live to get and sort of support you need proof you are trying to find a job or work to some degree


They used to have strict rules with welfare and disability, but after 8 years of bush and then 8 years of Obama and now even millions of Illegal non-citizens get some sort of government assistance.
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