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Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/12/17
This is kind of relevant... :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEI9z_hSGIQ
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Posted 11/1/17 , edited 11/1/17

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American values focus on the rights of a person and individualism, rather than the greater good of people. Not that they don't care about it, they just put priority over the first.

If fixing something is going to mean more tax burden, you can bet it is going to take a long time for it to be fixed.


This is pretty much the situation
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I don't buy the story of rugged individualism, and you shouldn't either. We're a Corporatocracy, and we've been that way for a long while now.
If major lobbying groups (of corporations) wanted higher taxes, we'd have higher taxes. Because Rush Limbaugh and the NRA would put out a three hour long radio show everyday about why some taxes need to go up.
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Posted 11/2/17 , edited 11/2/17
Taxation is theft, read Rothbard
https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state
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Those that try hard deserve more than those that don't try at all. Why should people who are smart with their finances pay for those who cannot even manage to keep away from the bottle? You reap what you sow.
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Ultimately people should support social services regardless of their beliefs for one very simple reason: It's a good business decision. Poverty, bad education and disease hold the economy back. Combatting these things is one of the best ways to strengthen an economy. And if people can't put aside their self righteous indignation to come to that conclusion, then they aren't mature enough to be deciding such things.



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It has more or less been shown that government and taxes are why all those things are "unaffordable", so it should be asked why you are so free with other people's money.

We need more intra and interstate competition, not more taxes or government dickery.


I'm a little confused by this. are you suggesting that government is the reason that American healthcare is so expensive? That runs contrary to the fact that the American health care- the most privatized healthcare system in the 1st world (maybe the whole world) is also the most expensive healthcare system in the whole world.
Businesses don't make things more efficient. Every time you pay more money than you should somebody else is making a profit. Business have incentive to inflate inefficiencies.
Government healthcare's only objective is to distribute resources to the people. There are no profits to wring people out for and no middle man to gum things up.


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And that's really what it comes down too. EVERY system has an error ratio. No system is 100% accurate in politics, programs or business. But when it comes to social programs there are those that basically think if we can't have a flawlessly perfect system we should have nothing at all. They would rather fuck over 100 people than have 1 person get an undeserved "freebie".

Yet at the same time the same people accept a margin of error in business. There's always a small % of mistakes, fraud, shoplifting, etc that affects the cost of doing business. But the solution isn't to stop doing business or set the business on fire and walk away. Its to work to minimize that %.


Indeed. Demanding perfection is not practical. It's just a cop out to avoid improving.
Whenever I heard the argument, "some people cheat welfare, so we should scrap the whole concept" I always countered with, "Well, some people hurt themselves but we don't talk about scrapping health care. Nobody thinks that's reason to turn away kids with cancer". Now I realize, that's actual how some people think. Not people on the fringes, but a substantial number of Americans.
And the same folks who say "it can't be afforded" (ignoring the fact that letting the government into health care would save money long term) are the ones who want to spend billions on the world's largest wall, or justify stupefying amounts of pork projects under the guise of military patriotism. Social programs aren't just humane, they yield concrete, practical results. That's more than what can be said for most forms of spending.
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Posted 11/2/17 , edited 11/3/17
First things first.
If you pay taxes in the United States you aren't paying high taxes.
Your VAT and income taxes are a joke.

That being said.
If we are going to give everybody "free" (it's not free) healthcare it's going to be abused. Now you can say let the abusers pay for it themselves but now you gave the government the power of discrimination (which you should never ever do).
The same for education. Free education leads to lazy slacker students. I know cause I lived in a country with very cheap education and we already had this problem.

If the taxes were lowered people would have more money to spend so they could pay for their own education.
The problem with the USA is that politicians sold out the population to multinationals and made a whole political and legal system designed to screw over the average Joe.

You can still help out your local community financially were you'd like. It's just that you aren't forced to pay for bullshit.

Also a higher tax bracket for higher incomes is theft. They can call it redistribution of wealth all they like but it boils down to theft.
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kaasknak wrote:

First things first.
If you pay taxes in the United States you aren't paying high taxes.
Your VAT and income taxes are a joke.



Taxes in the US are comparable with taxes in Europe. Typical comparisons of US taxes to taxes in other countries grossly misrepresents the US taxes, by only showing the Federal Income tax against the more holistic tax of other countries.The US Federal Income Tax is only a small portion of the taxes charged on US income earners. A person may only be charged an effective Federal Income Tax rate of 9%, but be paying out 30% of their income in taxes overall.
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Posted 11/2/17 , edited 11/3/17
I think it's worth pointing out that simply complying with IRS tax requirements --not actually paying the taxes, just complying will cost Americans:

- More than 8,900,000,000 work hours this year

- $409,000,000,000 - That's more than the GDP of oil-rich Norway. Norway's GDP could not afford to file our taxes each year, much less pay them.

That's not how it should be.
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Posted 11/2/17 , edited 11/3/17
The simple and short is the majority of people who make use of the tax money are greedy a-hole citizens and greedy a-hole politicians. Gotta learn to help yourselves these days, we aren't living in a 50s sitcom anymore.
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Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:

The simple and short is the majority of people who make use of the tax money are greedy a-hole citizens and greedy a-hole politicians. Gotta learn to help yourselves these days, we aren't living in a 50s sitcom anymore.


Not even The Honeymooners? Or Our Miss Brooks?

Or even The Dick Van Dyke Sh...oh, wait, that was 60's.
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Posted 11/3/17 , edited 11/3/17

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kaasknak wrote:

First things first.
If you pay taxes in the United States you aren't paying high taxes.
Your VAT and income taxes are a joke.



Taxes in the US are comparable with taxes in Europe. Typical comparisons of US taxes to taxes in other countries grossly misrepresents the US taxes, by only showing the Federal Income tax against the more holistic tax of other countries.The US Federal Income Tax is only a small portion of the taxes charged on US income earners. A person may only be charged an effective Federal Income Tax rate of 9%, but be paying out 30% of their income in taxes overall.


So that would make for an effective income tax of 36.5%. Is that the lowest bracket?
Taxes where I lived started at 36.5% and the VAT was 21%. Then there is taxes on petrol (60% and then the VAT on top of that (taxes on taxes)), road taxes if you own a car, local community taxes and a lot more.

I agree that your taxes are to high but I think they aren't as high as the USA thinks they are. Unless I am mistaken in which case I'll yield my point to you.
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Many US citizens in fact share your thinking, Ryulightorb, and would like a better social safety net. Our health care is expensive, and most Americans have no clue how little they have compared to the rest of the world. We also don't understand how bad our internet is, or our public transportation. Especially in the Midwest and rural areas in general, we can be very isolated and cut off. In my state, Iowa, the government has taken away almost all support for mental health and now is taking away almost all health care for anyone who needs state help for health care, including children. They also made laws making it illegal for our teachers or any public workers to argue for better wages. Now they're baffled as to why all their best workers are leaving the state and our rankings in every area are plummeting. Hmm. I wonder why.

The short answer is my country has a lot of wrestling with itself it needs to do and a lot of myths about itself it needs to unravel. It's true, we do have a very independent spirit, and we likely always will. There are times that has served us well and has taken us far and has even helped the rest of the world. I would not say at this particular moment that spirit is doing us a great service. We're doing a great job right now of arguing and shouting and hurting one another, of making sure people without means suffer as much as possible, of blaming whoever we hate most for all our problems, and even infighting among people who should be our allies. I would very much like to see us take care of our social safety net, for people I've worked with directly and for the spirit in general, but I'm quite certain we're going to play at more scorched earth for some time before we ever decide to embrace our humanity again.
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As long as a single heart beats for communism, which has corrupted so much of the world, the war on our humanity will never end.
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Posted 11/3/17 , edited 11/3/17

amazoniowan wrote:
The short answer is my country has a lot of wrestling with itself it needs to do


It's sort of a stress test for increased diversity. Can differing viewpoints and backgrounds actually get along and agree on good policies, or will they squabble over even very basic principles? We're finding out.
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