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Posted 1/12/17

sundin13 wrote:

I often hear people saying that the US pays more for health care because we have the best health care in the world. We don't.


I think lawyers and fraud account for a good chunk of heath care costs. We need Tort reform.
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Are these honestly the best arguments against the affordable care act? Shitting on people for being poor and posting retarded memes that don't know what words mean?

What am I talking about? Of course they are.
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Xxanthar wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

I often hear people saying that the US pays more for health care because we have the best health care in the world. We don't.


I think lawyers and fraud account for a good chunk of heath care costs. We need Tort reform.


Out of curiosity, I did a quick google search and it seems that the medical liability system contributes to about 2% of our annual healthcare costs. With that number, I agree that there is room to make significant improvements (I feel like Tort Reform is one of those common sense things that should have been done ages ago but our government just hasn't gotten around to it yet), but it far from accounts for the gap between US spending and the spending of other countries.
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That is what a tax is. You live and work in our country, you pay for the Government.
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Nanobots will save us soon. They will zap cancer and scrape plaque from our arteries.
Posted 1/12/17

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the only people who like Obamacare are the poor, the lazy, and the illegals aliens, who all get subsidies from tax payers.


I suppose I'm an outlier to your statement.
I work 80-95 hours a week, on call 24/7/365, pay taxes, and am a native-born American (my parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents were born here).

I liked ObamaCare but this bastardized variant of it (which is really RomneyCare) does more harm than good. Having lived in London, England for almost six years at one point - I do believe that a single-pay insurance system similar to the NHS would be cheaper for the American people than whatever ACA is right now. Sanders has a strong, valid point: we are the only developed country that is lacking a healthcare system.

You could argue (which you have) "But we're the only country protecting the rest of the pathetic countries.." - which isn't necessarily true. Both Democrats and Republicans need to figure out what's more important: America or America's Influence on the "Rest of the World". America didn't always jump into other countries' affairs until after WWII - when it made more sense as we showed ourselves as the "powerhouse" country. Was it ever necessary, when our allies didn't even ask for help after the fact? No, of course not. But you have Republicans complaining about Obama pulling out of the Middle East (which, supposedly, was the root cause for ISIS) when they were complaining that we shouldn't be occupying the area 8-9 years ago.. you have Democrats crying foul over ACA's repeal because of the lack of a solution in place of it.

If we cut down on the military, reduce government salaries (all sectors), and refueled Social Security and a single-pay health care insurance reform system ... we'd be fine. Instead, we have a strong military that over 50% of our financial burden goes to each year, government employees moaning about unions when they (government employees) are usually making more than union members overall, and a bastardized "affordable healthcare act" that came from doomsday compromises with the Republicans to get it passed. Democrats were stupid to negotiate some of ACA with the Republicans and allowed their additional clauses and stipulations to be added to the bill just to ensure it passed. It was a desperate, unnecessary measure.. and Republicans were banking on the desperation of the Democrats. Why?

Well, look. The bill that the Democrats pushed so hard is costing citizens too much money, costing the government a substantial amount of money, and yet ... despite the fact that Republicans helped shape it into a colossal crap-fest ... the Republicans can easily just point across the room and say "Well, they wanted this so badly, so they got it. Now we're dealing with it as a favor to them." In other words, the Democrats shot themselves in the foot in an act of desperation ... sounds familiar, no?
Posted 1/12/17

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Xxanthar wrote:

the only people who like Obamacare are the poor, the lazy, and the illegals aliens, who all get subsidies from tax payers.


I suppose I'm an outlier to your statement.
I work 80-95 hours a week, on call 24/7/365, pay taxes, and am a native-born American (my parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents were born here).

I liked ObamaCare but this bastardized variant of it (which is really RomneyCare) does more harm than good. Having lived in London, England for almost six years at one point - I do believe that a single-pay insurance system similar to the NHS would be cheaper for the American people than whatever ACA is right now. Sanders has a strong, valid point: we are the only developed country that is lacking a healthcare system.

You could argue (which you have) "But we're the only country protecting the rest of the pathetic countries.." - which isn't necessarily true. Both Democrats and Republicans need to figure out what's more important: America or America's Influence on the "Rest of the World". America didn't always jump into other countries' affairs until after WWII - when it made more sense as we showed ourselves as the "powerhouse" country. Was it ever necessary, when our allies didn't even ask for help after the fact? No, of course not. But you have Republicans complaining about Obama pulling out of the Middle East (which, supposedly, was the root cause for ISIS) when they were complaining that we shouldn't be occupying the area 8-9 years ago.. you have Democrats crying foul over ACA's repeal because of the lack of a solution in place of it.

If we cut down on the military, reduce government salaries (all sectors), and refueled Social Security and a single-pay health care insurance reform system ... we'd be fine. Instead, we have a strong military that over 50% of our financial burden goes to each year, government employees moaning about unions when they (government employees) are usually making more than union members overall, and a bastardized "affordable healthcare act" that came from doomsday compromises with the Republicans to get it passed. Democrats were stupid to negotiate some of ACA with the Republicans and allowed their additional clauses and stipulations to be added to the bill just to ensure it passed. It was a desperate, unnecessary measure.. and Republicans were banking on the desperation of the Democrats. Why?

Well, look. The bill that the Democrats pushed so hard is costing citizens too much money, costing the government a substantial amount of money, and yet ... despite the fact that Republicans helped shape it into a colossal crap-fest ... the Republicans can easily just point across the room and say "Well, they wanted this so badly, so they got it. Now we're dealing with it as a favor to them." In other words, the Democrats shot themselves in the foot in an act of desperation ... sounds familiar, no?



OOoooh so Obama care was the republicans fault now? Republicans didn't vote for that mess. That was back when the Democrats controlled the house and senate, and it's one of the reasons they control nothing now. The democrats rammed it through without republican support. Don't worry though. trump will fix it.
Posted 1/12/17

Xxanthar wrote:
OOoooh so Obama care was the republicans fault now? Republicans didn't vote for that mess. That was back when the Democrats controlled the house and senate, and it's one of the reasons they control nothing now. The democrats rammed it through without republican support. Don't worry though. trump will fix it.


You sure skipped a lot.
I blamed both parties for it. Republicans manipulated it because they didn't agree with the ACA bill at all. Democrats bargained with the Republicans to get the bill passed. Republicans made sure to add stipulations that wouldn't help the ACA be a long-term project. Democrats were like "Lol, we don't care. We got the bill passed."

TL;DR:
Democrats fell for Republican troll due to desperation. Republicans have last laugh.
Posted 1/12/17 , edited 1/12/17

ninjitsuko wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:
OOoooh so Obama care was the republicans fault now? Republicans didn't vote for that mess. That was back when the Democrats controlled the house and senate, and it's one of the reasons they control nothing now. The democrats rammed it through without republican support. Don't worry though. trump will fix it.


You sure skipped a lot.
I blamed both parties for it. Republicans manipulated it because they didn't agree with the ACA bill at all. Democrats bargained with the Republicans to get the bill passed. Republicans made sure to add stipulations that wouldn't help the ACA be a long-term project. Democrats were like "Lol, we don't care. We got the bill passed."

TL;DR:
Democrats fell for Republican troll due to desperation. Republicans have last laugh.


Democrats did not need and did not get republican support. If democrats pandered to anyone it was the Bluedog Democrats. If you remember correctly republicans were barred from committee meetings on Obamacare, and most republicans and democrats didn't even get to read the bill before they voted on it.
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Doesn't he freak out over everything? He always seemed jumpy to me.
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Such a boo-hoo sob story. If your job doesn't offer you insurance, go somewhere that does. This isn't 2008, when jobs were about as scarce as a redhead in Compton. If I worked for a company that didn't provide health insurance, I would make certain that I was spending my spare time looking for a job that did provide it.

Not my responsibility to pay for every bad choice that people make in life.
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That is what a tax is. You live and work in our country, you pay for the Government.


>> Unless your an illegal immigrant i guess you get off paying no taxes it's a free ride...
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Thank you! I mean, I do not agree with everything in Obamacare but I do know that it has helped me, considerably. I have MS so if they repeal it, I can only imagine how difficult it might be when I try to get insurance. I have an amazing plan as of right now. What most people don't know is that they don't have to go through the marketplace to purchase insurance. They can go directly to the insurance company, search for a plan that meets their needs, and ask them to apply the tax credit they have been approved of after filling out the application.
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