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Posted 1/12/17
I ask because Amazon is giving me PTSD about the early 2000 anime crash.
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Posted 1/12/17
Anime Strike is just a way for Amazon to drain more money out of their customer's pockets. Why do I have to pay an extra $4.99 a month for something that was seemingly already included in my $99 a year subscription. And it's not like the channel currently has a huge catalog. Even their exclusive titles are far and few between.

Started the free week trial and well probably subscribe for the time being to watch Scum's wish and Urara Meirochou but I don't like the direction it's taking. The only thing I did like the fact that they have all of the Nanoha related series on now.

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Posted 1/12/17
There was no "2000 anime crash"......
Posted 1/17/17

TheGrandAlliance wrote:

There was no "2000 anime crash"......

One anime had a crash. Two can you read?
early 2000

Not 2000 but early on 2000.

You do know anime crash somewhere around early 2000 to 2005 right?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-05-30/.74675
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Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

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You do know anime crash somewhere around early 2000 to 2005 right?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-05-30/.74675



Haha, haha, no. Nice try.

Just because a micro retail, "mom/pop" US companies (on East Coast, apparently) as cited in the article went bankrupt does not constitute "a crash". IDK it that article even mentions Japan.

Nobody cares about USA physical DVD market being displaced by internet (non-legal streaming, such as yes, Crunchyroll at the time). Anime is for Japan, made by Japan.


Now, if y can link an article that actually talks about large scale bankruptcies of Japan anime studios or whatever, then we talking. Simply because bunch of low lvl, tiny random thing close; on a distributor lvl, such as ADV/Geneon, the like, does not constitute "a crash".

More like, USA market having problems. But again, the American market totally irrelevant.



Anime Crash is a company that many East Coast anime fans that were active in the 90s might just barely remember.


EDIT: If you are instead talking about a company called "Anime Crash", as this article is, then I fail to see again why Amazon/tiny company are relevant. Perhaps I am missing something...
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Posted 1/17/17
It shouldn't be a problem really. It is all about money. So far Amazon has more money but since this failure. I'm seeing them losing money.
Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

TheGrandAlliance wrote:


TwinBlast wrote:


You do know anime crash somewhere around early 2000 to 2005 right?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-05-30/.74675



Haha, haha, no. Nice try.

Just because a micro retail, "mom/pop" US companies (on East Coast, apparently) as cited in the article went bankrupt does not constitute "a crash". IDK it that article even mentions Japan.

Nobody cares about USA physical DVD market being displaced by internet (non-legal streaming, such as yes, Crunchyroll at the time). Anime is for Japan, made by Japan.


Now, if y can link an article that actually talks about large scale bankruptcies of Japan anime studios or whatever, then we talking. Simply because bunch of low lvl, tiny random thing close; on a distributor lvl, such as ADV/Geneon, the like, does not constitute "a crash".

More like, USA market having problems. But again, the American market totally irrelevant.



Anime Crash is a company that many East Coast anime fans that were active in the 90s might just barely remember.


EDIT: If you are instead talking about a company called "Anime Crash", as this article is, then I fail to see again why Amazon/tiny company are relevant. Perhaps I am missing something...


I was talking about the US anime crash.
Also nobody is talking about DVD sales here. We are talking about Streaming and how this many people in the business can have negative consequences by raising prices in the us marked again. The reason I link the article was because too many competitors can rise prices. Same situation has back then.
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Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

TwinBlast wrote:

I was talking about the US anime crash.


In that case, it is not a "crash", but more so, a "reset". Companies that were overleveraged and couldn't adapt to the rise if Internet streaming failed.


Others, did quite well. Such as FUNimation. And eventually, Crunchyroll (which may have facilitated such action).


In either case, I fail to see why Amazon streaming service for anime; something CR is doing right now, compares to such a time. Amazon is largest Internet retail; tons of $$$, I fail to see the risk thereof.
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Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

TwinBlast wrote:

Also nobody is talking about DVD sales here. We are talking about Streaming and how this many people in the business can have negative consequences by raising prices in the us marked again.


Amazon is too small a player at moment. Same with Netflix.

With the FUNI/CR "alliance", it is hard to see this breaking. Amazon does not have dub studio. To compete against FUNI/CR, it would have to outbid for licenses for prized titles each season. That means lots of $$$. So far, they haven't a single "AAA" title.


Could it happen? Maybe, but only one will suffer is Amazon. Streaming isn't same as DVD sales... The reason for the "2000 anime crash", as u describe. Paying 5-7USD/month is much lower market segment price point.

So what if stream prices go to $10? $15? Would cause problems, but not crash. People may simply not hold subs as long. But companies will remain.


The only thing that will crash anime, is if Japan makes bad anime for extended period of time. Such was true in Fall; Winter is strong, indeed...
Posted 1/17/17

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TwinBlast wrote:

You are so stupid. Anybody with a brain knows I talking about the US anime crash. The fact that you can't used your head is just stupid.


In that case, it is not a "crash", but more so, a "reset". Companies that were overleveraged and couldn't adapt to the rise if Internet streaming failed.


Others, did quite well. Such as FUNimation. And eventually, Crunchyroll (which may have facilitated such action).


In either case, I fail to see why Amazon streaming service for anime; something CR is doing right now, compares to such a time. Amazon is largest Internet retail; tons of $$$, I fail to see the risk thereof.


Because not everyone can competed with amazon cash. Causing a monopoly that will fuck us over.

Yes but they were alone for awhile. Meaning the amount of anime coming in was really small. Having the us marked crash will be bad for the us anime fans.
Posted 1/17/17

TheGrandAlliance wrote:


TwinBlast wrote:

Also nobody is talking about DVD sales here. We are talking about Streaming and how this many people in the business can have negative consequences by raising prices in the us marked again.


Amazon is too small a player at moment. Same with Netflix.

With the FUNI/CR "alliance", it is hard to see this breaking. Amazon does not have dub studio. To compete against FUNI/CR, it would have to outbid for licenses for prized titles each season. That means lots of $$$. So far, they haven't a single "AAA" title.


Could it happen? Maybe, but only one will suffer is Amazon.


Yes but only takes once to fuck us over. Netflix is fine because they know what they are doing. They are a mainly streaming service but amazon is not. If amazon wants everything they could do it. Is not smart but they could do it.
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Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

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Because not everyone can competed with amazon cash. Causing a monopoly that will fuck us over.

Yes but they were alone for awhile. Meaning the amount of anime coming in was really small. Having the us marked crash will be bad for the us anime fans.



True, but amazon would have to spend billions to destroy both Funimation and CR. They would run massive losses short term.


If Amazon was serious about entering anime market (which yet to prove), it would simply buy out FUNimation. As they are fully integrated (DUB + DVD distribution) US company; with Amazon spending capital, CR be bankrupt no time flat. But that has yet to occur....
Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

TheGrandAlliance wrote:


TwinBlast wrote:

Also nobody is talking about DVD sales here. We are talking about Streaming and how this many people in the business can have negative consequences by raising prices in the us marked again.


Amazon is too small a player at moment. Same with Netflix.

With the FUNI/CR "alliance", it is hard to see this breaking. Amazon does not have dub studio. To compete against FUNI/CR, it would have to outbid for licenses for prized titles each season. That means lots of $$$. So far, they haven't a single "AAA" title.


Could it happen? Maybe, but only one will suffer is Amazon. Streaming isn't same as DVD sales... The reason for the "2000 anime crash", as u describe. Paying 5-7USD/month is much lower market segment price point.

So what if stream prices go to $10? $15? Would cause problems, but not crash. People may simply not hold subs as long. But companies will remain.


The only thing that will crash anime, is if Japan makes bad anime for extended period of time. Such was true in Fall; Winter is strong, indeed...


Again you didn't read or pay any attention to the article. When I was talking raising prices, I was not talking about us the consumer. I was talking about the license cost and everything else involve with rights. The reason the US anime crash occur was because of license prices cost going up and everything everything else a long with it. Witch eventually force the US distributors to raise the DVD prices to a degree witch was unaffordable. Sure the US anime can survive on streaming but those license anime will eventually go away from the site. But DVD/Blue Ray sales will not. I don't know about you but I rather own the shows I like.
Posted 1/17/17

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TwinBlast wrote:

Because not everyone can competed with amazon cash. Causing a monopoly that will fuck us over.

Yes but they were alone for awhile. Meaning the amount of anime coming in was really small. Having the us marked crash will be bad for the us anime fans.



True, but amazon would have to spend billions to destroy both Funimation and CR. They would run massive losses short term.


If Amazon was serious about entering anime market (which yet to prove), it would simply buy out FUNimation. As they are fully integrated (DUB + DVD distribution) US company; with Amazon spending capital, CR be bankrupt no time flat. But that has yet to occur....


I haven say they are serious.

What I am saying is that if they get serious, we are the ones who will pay the prize for their greed.
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Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

TwinBlast wrote:
What I am saying is that if they get serious, we are the ones who will pay the prize for their greed.


Well, there is seriousness, and there is competence. IDK if Amazon "smart enough" to win. They poorly managed in some respects.

If "Amazon Game Studios" is their model of how they "plan to conquer anime industry", well....

/epicfail


But we shall see, nevertheless. Although u need not worry about physical disk sales, as they won't ever go away. A $.50 cent piece of plastic selling for $100+ dollars, the profit margin too good for that. But no matter...
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