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The NSA can now share the data it collects with other agencies...
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16 of them to be exact, as per this article from the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0

Even if the target of the surveillance is meant to be foreigners (on paper at least), the data of American citizens is also collected without a warrant and without due process. The issue of law enforcement trying to weaken our 4th Amendment rights has made the news recently, and now the FBI and other agencies can get access to this data without anything like the due process you'd expect. The article does mention the procedure agencies will have to go through to gain access to data, but it doesn't exactly seem robust to me.

Am I alone in thinking the ends most definitely do not justify the means?
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Doesn't bother me in the least. I have nothing to hide. If they want to see what kind of porn I watch, but it stops a dirty bomb going off in New York... fine by me.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

Doesn't bother me in the least. I have nothing to hide. If they want to see what kind of porn I watch, but it stops a dirty bomb going off in New York... fine by me.


There's a pretty good quote from Edward Snowden that I think sums up my view on this:

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say,"
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You are right to be worried. Bible predicts the following:

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Mysterio1000 wrote:

You are right to be worried. Bible predicts the following:

Meteors/Earthquakes increase

Huge financial crash (probably in 2017)

Mark in right hand or forehead which none can buy or sell without

Living idol

Forest fires

Beheadings

Return of Jesus



Do you think Jesus will get a tickertape parade when he returns?
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I don't care if the NSA shares my information either. I really doubt any of them care about my doujinshi fetishes.

That's what I've never understood about how paranoid people get over this stuff. Everyone is worried that their porn history will be compromised, or you'll learn they're having an affair. No one in the government cares about that, unless said affair is with some terrorist or spy. No one cares about your phone calls to your grandma where you thank her for the fuzzy sweater. Or your sexts at 1 am. The NSA is targeting people who are supporting terrorism, financially or otherwise.
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Akage-chan wrote:

I don't care if the NSA shares my information either. I really doubt any of them care about my doujinshi fetishes.

That's what I've never understood about how paranoid people get over this stuff. Everyone is worried that their porn history will be compromised, or you'll learn they're having an affair. No one in the government cares about that, unless said affair is with some terrorist or spy. No one cares about your phone calls to your grandma where you thank her for the fuzzy sweater. Or your sexts at 1 am. The NSA is targeting people who are supporting terrorism, financially or otherwise.


“In the course of their daily work they stumble across something that is completely unrelated to their work, for example an intimate nude photo of someone in a sexually compromising situation but they’re extremely attractive,” he said. “So what do they do? They turn around in their chair and they show a co-worker. And their co-worker says: ‘Oh, hey, that’s great. Send that to Bill down the way.’ ”

Mr. Snowden said that type of sharing occurred once every couple of months and was “seen as the fringe benefits of surveillance positions.” He said that this was never reported and that the system for auditing surveillance programs was “incredibly weak.”

“Now while people may say that it’s an innocent harm — this person doesn’t even know that their image was viewed — it represents a fundamental principle, which is that we don’t have to see individual instances of abuse,” he said.

This is part of an interview from the New York Times here: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/21/us/politics/edward-snowden-at-nsa-sexually-explicit-photos-often-shared.html
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You should care about surveillance because it's a slippery slope. Also you may trust the government and its agencies today, but you never know what the future holds. Even if they are deserving of your trust today, there's no guarantee that that won't change.
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Ah, I thought it had been a while since the NSA did something stupid. Looks like they're making up for lost time.
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It's dumb, but to be expected of them. Just like when Snowden released his things it didn't surprise or upset me. It was quite obvious they were doing this for a long time. They can look and show others all they want.
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Well, knowing is half the battle ;3
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Layer8 wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

Doesn't bother me in the least. I have nothing to hide. If they want to see what kind of porn I watch, but it stops a dirty bomb going off in New York... fine by me.


There's a pretty good quote from Edward Snowden that I think sums up my view on this:

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say,"


I like that quote. I'd rather die living free than live being under the watchful eye of big brother. What I do is my own business! Even if all I do is post shit on the internet! Its still my own business and none of yours unless I personally decide to share it.
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Layer8 wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

Doesn't bother me in the least. I have nothing to hide. If they want to see what kind of porn I watch, but it stops a dirty bomb going off in New York... fine by me.


There's a pretty good quote from Edward Snowden that I think sums up my view on this:

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say,"


And do I care for true free speech? That is anarchy.

Some things are better left unsaid and undone.

Same with true freedom. True freedom is anarchy. No laws, no rules, no anything. True free speech is something best left caged.
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well i care because the nsa are human, and humans tend to be biased. and innocent people have been kidnaped by the usa and tourtered for years with no legal recourse.
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“In the course of their daily work they stumble across something that is completely unrelated to their work, for example an intimate nude photo of someone in a sexually compromising situation but they’re extremely attractive,” he said. “So what do they do? They turn around in their chair and they show a co-worker. And their co-worker says: ‘Oh, hey, that’s great. Send that to Bill down the way.’ ”

Mr. Snowden said that type of sharing occurred once every couple of months and was “seen as the fringe benefits of surveillance positions.” He said that this was never reported and that the system for auditing surveillance programs was “incredibly weak.”

“Now while people may say that it’s an innocent harm — this person doesn’t even know that their image was viewed — it represents a fundamental principle, which is that we don’t have to see individual instances of abuse,” he said.

This is part of an interview from the New York Times here: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/21/us/politics/edward-snowden-at-nsa-sexually-explicit-photos-often-shared.html


Oh noes. Once every couple months. Also, this is Snowden we're talking about here. He's a traitor.

This should serve as a lesson to you. Don't take pictures you don't want the rest of the world to see it. It's like posting personal information on Facebook. Can you really be surprised when your accounts are hacked when you make it so easy for someone to do it?

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