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No warrant from the judge? No probable cause? No Fourth Amendment Rights? America is now officially a Police State. Next will be a requirement to have proper travel permits to go across state lines for any reason....
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You prolly shouldn't travel internationally. Your stuff can be searched by CBP without a warrant. It's called "Border Search Authority".
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Akage-chan wrote:

You prolly shouldn't travel internationally. Your stuff can be searched by CBP without a warrant. It's called "Border Search Authority".


Technically you shouldn't live within 100 miles of a coast or boarder as it's a so called extended boarder aka constitution free zone when it come to boarder authorities. They claim the right to perform warrantless suspicionless search with in it.




As for unminimized data sharing, is anyone surprised warrantless surveillance is suffering mission creep. They've been slowly eroding civil liberties for years. Encrypt everything.
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Of course I'm Marcus Octavius, I know all of your secrets! -smiles sweetly-
After all I am Roman Emperor! (Roman Empire)


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prh99 wrote:


Akage-chan wrote:

You prolly shouldn't travel internationally. Your stuff can be searched by CBP without a warrant. It's called "Border Search Authority".


Technically you shouldn't live within 100 miles of a coast or boarder as it's a so called extended boarder aka constitution free zone when it come to boarder authorities. They claim the right to perform warrantless suspicionless search with in it.




As for unminimized data sharing, is anyone surprised warrantless surveillance is suffering mission creep. They've been slowly eroding civil liberties for years. Encrypt everything.


The Constitution is not a suggestion, it is the document that forms the foundation of this nation. No laws that violates the rights set forth by the Constitution should ever be passed, nor should any agency of the government be given the power to bypass them for any reason. The biggest win for an enemy of our nation is to undermine our freedoms. With this new change, 16 government agencies will now have a shortcut around due process and warrants and access to a huge amount of information. I get it.: other things in the world matter, and maybe you have more faith in government and law enforcement than I do. But it does matter when our liberties are eroded, especially when it comes in big swings like this. Governments have little to no history of giving back extraordinary powers once they have been claimed. There will always be evil people in the world doing evil things. That isn't a justification for eroding one of the pillars that makes our nation great.




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Of course I'm Marcus Octavius, I know all of your secrets! -smiles sweetly-
After all I am Roman Emperor! (Roman Empire)




I wish you had been on the ballot, man.
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You seem to have the impression I think this is okay or even good, I don't. The constitution has a major weakness in the Supreme Court who have signed off on the boarder search exception and in the form of a national security exception, given the government a pass to do as they please and subvert the system of checks and balances. They need only cry national security in court. There is the FISA Court who rubber stamps virtually any request it receives. The FBI and DOJ have sought to avoid having to get warrants as much as they can. When they do have to get The DOJ successfully changed rule 40 to let judges issue warrants outside their jurisdiction so they can venue shop for judges more amiable to their requests and also make use of VPNs and TOR etc to hide ones IP and by extension location as evidence of a guilty mind.

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prh99
You seem to have the impression I think this is okay or even good, I don't.


I was actually using what you said as a springboard to address those who posted that either don't seem to care or think it is a good thing. I apologize for the confusion. Thank you for contributing to the discussion.
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Doesn't bother me in the least. I have nothing to hide. If they want to see what kind of porn I watch, but it stops a dirty bomb going off in New York... fine by me.


Okay, what? You cannot be fucking serious.
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“In the course of their daily work they stumble across something that is completely unrelated to their work, for example an intimate nude photo of someone in a sexually compromising situation but they’re extremely attractive,” he said. “So what do they do? They turn around in their chair and they show a co-worker. And their co-worker says: ‘Oh, hey, that’s great. Send that to Bill down the way.’ ”

Mr. Snowden said that type of sharing occurred once every couple of months and was “seen as the fringe benefits of surveillance positions.” He said that this was never reported and that the system for auditing surveillance programs was “incredibly weak.”

“Now while people may say that it’s an innocent harm — this person doesn’t even know that their image was viewed — it represents a fundamental principle, which is that we don’t have to see individual instances of abuse,” he said.

This is part of an interview from the New York Times here: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/21/us/politics/edward-snowden-at-nsa-sexually-explicit-photos-often-shared.html


Oh noes. Once every couple months. Also, this is Snowden we're talking about here. He's a traitor.

This should serve as a lesson to you. Don't take pictures you don't want the rest of the world to see it. It's like posting personal information on Facebook. Can you really be surprised when your accounts are hacked when you make it so easy for someone to do it?



Even if said pictures are taken in private, while Hillary can somehow, as a public politician, not give up potentially damning evidence about potentially damaging emails? I cannot really approve of self censorship in the face of eroding civil liberties. It is a disingenuous argument.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

Doesn't bother me in the least. I have nothing to hide. If they want to see what kind of porn I watch, but it stops a dirty bomb going off in New York... fine by me.


Okay, what? You cannot be fucking serious.


I am pretty serious. I don't dabble in illegal acts. If my email or whatever gets flagged for talking about the Egyptian god Isis, and they decide to look into me... I really don't give a flying fuck. The system flagged me for talking about Isis (the real one... not the bloody terrorists), and for a reason I can understand. They look into me... I understand this as well. They find my porn stash (The joke)... I give 0 fucks.

However, if the tag Isis was seen as ISIS with a terrorist organization... who wanted to plant a dirty bomb in the USA... I really don't mind them digging through my stuff for the "same" tag that a terrorist organization uses. There have been cases of various intelligence agencies finding dirty bombs and what not. If they happen to find the wrong shit... Who gives a fuck? I would rather save 100,000,000 lives then fret about being vetted against my knowledge for talking about the Egyptian god Isis.

Of course this is hypothetical in a worst case scenario... Abusing the power of the NSA/FBI/CIA is of course wrong... but the USA has a hard on thinking it is all they do. They don't. They do so much behind the scenes that they CAN NOT talk about. Hell, my friend of family works in the FBI and he can never tell me shit about what he did/does. The chances are... if you are being looked at... you have used keywords that a terrorist organization uses or various keywords of hate speech. In these cases, you brought this upon yourself.

Also, hey NSA, look up the Egyptian god Isis... I LOVE HER! /s

I will come and clean up my thoughts in this post tomorrow. I have to sleep and work.
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prh99 wrote:


Akage-chan wrote:

You prolly shouldn't travel internationally. Your stuff can be searched by CBP without a warrant. It's called "Border Search Authority".


Technically you shouldn't live within 100 miles of a coast or boarder as it's a so called extended boarder aka constitution free zone when it come to boarder authorities. They claim the right to perform warrantless suspicionless search with in it.




As for unminimized data sharing, is anyone surprised warrantless surveillance is suffering mission creep. They've been slowly eroding civil liberties for years. Encrypt everything.


The Constitution is not a suggestion, it is the document that forms the foundation of this nation. No laws that violates the rights set forth by the Constitution should ever be passed, nor should any agency of the government be given the power to bypass them for any reason. The biggest win for an enemy of our nation is to undermine our freedoms. With this new change, 16 government agencies will now have a shortcut around due process and warrants and access to a huge amount of information. I get it.: other things in the world matter, and maybe you have more faith in government and law enforcement than I do. But it does matter when our liberties are eroded, especially when it comes in big swings like this. Governments have little to no history of giving back extraordinary powers once they have been claimed. There will always be evil people in the world doing evil things. That isn't a justification for eroding one of the pillars that makes our nation great.




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Of course I'm Marcus Octavius, I know all of your secrets! -smiles sweetly-
After all I am Roman Emperor! (Roman Empire)




I wish you had been on the ballot, man.


At the moment am busy with the painting! :p

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This cracked me up!!! God's got us covered don't fret.
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This cracked me up!!! God's got us covered don't fret.


No matter what you think of these changes to how much power law enforcement has, what exactly is funny about the topic? And, no, God does not have us covered. Even if you believe God (I don't) there is no contemporary evidence that he interferes with politics, wars, or really anything to do with how nations are run. Saying God will take care of something so you don't have to worry is a complete cop out. We live in the world, and regardless of whether God exists or not, we all have a responsibility to be informed citizens.
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Posted 1/14/17
Eh, I think this speaks for itself.

Hint: the system's already been abused before.
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I doubt it. Most people don't know what he looks like. And it's better that way. God doesn't want to force anyone to be a Christian.

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