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Warfare taxes
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I'd eliminate the DEA, ATF & DHLS, cut defense spending by 20 - 30%, cut elected offical salaries by 30 - 40% and simplify the tax code so the rich and corporations couldn't avoid paying.


I can see where frustrations are likely to arise with the others but why the ATF?

Like the DEA I'd merge them into the FBI, but I forgot they're no longer an arm of the Treasury department
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I would sacrifice overseas military bases, federal prisons, but also invest in a department who's soul purpose was to root out unethical practices in the healthcare sector. Price gouging, lobbying against international medicines, slow FDA approval times. Worst of all the failure to pursue life-saving medicine because of financial reasons.
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Socialized health care only works in country's that have small populations. The United States has 318 million people. As opposed to say, country's like France who have only 64 million. Obama tried this "free" healthcare and look how that turned out.
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Obtaining universal healthcare is more complicated than cutting agencies or changing the government's spending habits. Also that may not be a valid response the the health care issues within the country. Like all theoretical issues there will be both those who support and those who do not support universal healthcare. Some would point that cutting government agencies would only cause more issues from lack of regulatory bodies for loss of institutional memory. Institutional memory is the term used to describe knowledge found within a group or organization only there because of long serving members who know why it was done and not just the official records. Libertarians or Conservatives would oppose this based on issues of freedom and free will. Libertarians may also further protest based on the use of their tax money going to things that do not benefit them such as the military, roads, or electrical grids.

Fixing issues with the ACA would be a more viable option with less government shuffle. Force all states to enter the marketplace. Congress can use the guise of interstate commerce. The Union already stated states' rights doesn't matter. We had an entire war over it and some other issues. Paring that fix with others and passing living wages instead of minimum wages can also eliminate not only the need for universal healthcare but also add to the solvency of Social Security and reduce the debt.
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I'm from Canada. We have free public healthcare here. As far as I'm concerned, it's priceless.

I would add that it's mind boggling to me how the wealthiest nation on the face of the earth isn't able to afford a free health care system. Then again, with the amount of money you are spending on your military ventures...

I would add that the salaries paid to your doctors are just ridiculous. Theses need to be chopped down to size. It would already go a long way toward making health care more affordable.
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descloud wrote:

Socialized health care only works in country's that have small populations. The United States has 318 million people. As opposed to say, country's like France who have only 64 million. Obama tried this "free" healthcare and look how that turned out.


To be fair obama set up a system with a ton of flaws that could have worked if other issues were fixed first.

Like the cost of medicine and treatment in America being so high in the first place.

It could work in America but only after the underlying issues that lead obamacare to fail are dealt with but that's my take on it.
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Stop giving relieve care to nations that are our enemies (like China). Can that count?
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Stop giving relieve care to nations that are our enemies (like China). Can that count?


Since when is china Americas enemy.
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Military spending. Old timer thinking that isn't relevant in todays age. Having a huge standing military is completely unnecessary with all the bombs and drones we now have in our arsenal. Especially when you consider it's a tool being used by some to simply pay for college. Cut that by a wide margin, make school more affordable, and give universal healthcare. We could do this with a fraction of our military spending.

One of my best friends recently got back from the middle east with permanent hearing loss from being in a mortar team. I thought it was great that he gets free school now and permanent disability checks (Which wasn't much really) but I sort of felt sad for him after hearing all the stories he had. People he knew being shot. Explosions close enough to spray you with debris. Of course war is hard but he originally went in there because he had no direction and wanted to pay for his schooling. The barrier for higher education shouldn't be high enough that people think going and putting your life at risk is an acceptable alternative solution.
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Military and government salaries. Also those ridiculous government worker holiday parties that keep popping up on the news.
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Nothing cause our current medical system is more akin to a crutch for vulgar people who have lost their humanity.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


MonoDreams wrote:

Stop giving relieve care to nations that are our enemies (like China). Can that count?


Since when is china Americas enemy.


Since never. They have a long standing history of working together and are each other's biggest trade partners. If I had to wager, I'd assume the claim that they are is just regurgitated Trump rhetoric. He's pretty nuts with his anti-China shit.
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Sorry for giving my opinion, I mean, that's what this thread is all about.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


MonoDreams wrote:

Stop giving relieve care to nations that are our enemies (like China). Can that count?


Since when is china Americas enemy.


Since never. They have a long standing history of working together and are each other's biggest trade partners. If I had to wager, I'd assume the claim that they are is just regurgitated Trump rhetoric. He's pretty nuts with his anti-China shit.


I honestly think it's because some Chinese businesses either stopped working with him or didn't give into some sort of 'standard of trump' terms he set for them when trying to set up deals. It seems extremely personal. Like, "They think they can negotiate or deny me! Trump!?".
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