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John Lewis
Posted 1/19/17

DeadlyOats wrote:

The shoe goes on the other foot, too. What right does Lewis have, as Congressman, if he can't work with Trump?


In a way, I'll give you that. However, Trump isn't making any real indication that he has a desire to work with Democrats. He's banking on the fact that his stated party has the majority in Congress in hopes that he'll have the least amount of resistance.

The issue with Trump (on this particular matter) was timing. As the old saying goes, "There's a time and a place...". In this case, he chose the worst possible weekend to actually challenge Lewis and insult him. Lewis, despite what the conservatives may think of him, has done quite a lot in terms of the rights movement, as well as the positive changes he's made in Georgia (as a whole). Of course, I could point out some negative things about him as well but it would be tactless and classless to have insulted someone who gave up so much during the civil rights movement to usher in some form of peace on the week(end) of Martin Luther King Jr's holiday.

The reason why people give Trump more trash talking than Lewis is pretty basic - as others have mentioned, the President of the United States is meant to be the core of "politically correct". His whole job is to be the mouthpiece of the country, of Congress, of the government. To say things in such a tactless way will yield criticism. Lewis is a Senator and should also be held accountable for the things he says. But there's no denying that there's a different expectation of a Senator versus the President of the United States of America.
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Posted 1/19/17

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Hahaha!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/uh-oh-rep-john-lewis-didnt-pay-taxes-nearly-1-million-d-c-townhouse/

Uh Oh! Rep. John Lewis Didn’t Pay Taxes On His Nearly $1 Million D.C. Townhouse


Yeah, that's pretty funny, a congressman who was late on his property taxes. Know what's even better? That same year, 2010, Trump University was imploding and setting the stage for a $25 million fraud settlement! And *that* fraudster is now our president! Can you f'ing believe it! Hahaha! Politics are hilarious. I just hope we don't all die laughing.



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Posted 1/19/17

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Lewis, despite what the conservatives may think of him, has done quite a lot in terms of the rights movement, as well as the positive changes he's made in Georgia (as a whole)


Like what? More gibs me dats for welfare queens?
His districts have AIDs rates similar to that of third world African countries. Hasn't done much about that.

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Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17

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DeadlyOats

The shoe goes on the other foot, too. What right does Lewis have, as Congressman, if he can't work with Trump?


No, no, no Dets smh You don't mess with John Lewis. You just don't.

Just stop Dets.

Go to your trump shrine and burn it with fire.



You make it seem as if Lewis is some kind of religious leader... I could tell you to burn your Lewis shrine, too.....

You present double standards.
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Posted 1/19/17

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DeadlyOats wrote:

The shoe goes on the other foot, too. What right does Lewis have, as Congressman, if he can't work with Trump?


In a way, I'll give you that. However, Trump isn't making any real indication that he has a desire to work with Democrats. He's banking on the fact that his stated party has the majority in Congress in hopes that he'll have the least amount of resistance.

The issue with Trump (on this particular matter) was timing. As the old saying goes, "There's a time and a place...". In this case, he chose the worst possible weekend to actually challenge Lewis and insult him. Lewis, despite what the conservatives may think of him, has done quite a lot in terms of the rights movement, as well as the positive changes he's made in Georgia (as a whole). Of course, I could point out some negative things about him as well but it would be tactless and classless to have insulted someone who gave up so much during the civil rights movement to usher in some form of peace on the week(end) of Martin Luther King Jr's holiday.

The reason why people give Trump more trash talking than Lewis is pretty basic - as others have mentioned, the President of the United States is meant to be the core of "politically correct". His whole job is to be the mouthpiece of the country, of Congress, of the government. To say things in such a tactless way will yield criticism. Lewis is a Senator and should also be held accountable for the things he says. But there's no denying that there's a different expectation of a Senator versus the President of the United States of America.



PC is a leftist, globalist invention designed to force people to think and act a certain way, even if it's against their core beliefs. A tool of thought police.

That is wrong, because it is Senators who usually make the bid for president, and if they did not behave as correctly as a president was expected to behave, then they are seen as unfit. Governors of states are also held to this high degree. But Trump really broke that mold, I'll admit. The people were tired of these fake high-brow, fake high-road these officials, and went with someone who was plain spoken, and unpolished. It seems that this time, the coarseness of Trump was ignored in favor of most parts of his message.
Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17

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Like what? More gibs me dats for welfare queens?
His districts have AIDs rates similar to that of third world African countries. Hasn't done much about that.



Lol. Interesting that you respond without any actual information. But, alas, I guess I did too.
The crime rate has gone down in recent time while John Lewis has been the representative of the fifth district of Georgia. This isn't saying much, seeing as Atlanta is still pretty iffy when it comes to violence. There have been improvements in social programs but Georgia hasn't even got close to some of the welfare programs of "richer" states (being on welfare in Maryland gives you $18 per hour, DC is $24.40 per hour.. imagine that for a moment or two).

As for the comment about AIDS - well, you do realize most of the highest amount of HIV diagnoses are along the southern border of the US (from Arizona all the way over to Florida). As for the racial comment .. I'll just ignore it altogether as it's your typical trolling silliness.


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PC is a leftist, globalist invention designed to force people to think and act a certain way, even if it's against their core beliefs. A tool of thought police.


Well, no. Maybe that's your perception of it now. Originally, people held the POTUS to a "moral standard" (which is where some of the conflicts with Trump lies even from within Republican constituents) and that made him the center point of what people considered "politically correct" before it became the "buzzword" that conservatives freak out over (like yourself in this response). I meant it more so in regards to "what's acceptable to say at a political level" not "what has to be said to make sure that people aren't offended".


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That is wrong, because it is Senators who usually make the bid for president, and if they did not behave as correctly as a president was expected to behave, then they are seen as unfit.


I agree that it should be wrong but it isn't. People view the POTUS in a higher regard than Congressmen or their Governor. The POTUS speaks on behalf of all of the government and on the behalf of the entire country (when dealing with foreign communication with other political leaders), so there's this unwritten expectation of him being tactful and reasonable. Trump isn't either of these things, which you seem to realize. I get that people get tired of the high-road/high-brow types that we've been electing into positions for a while now. Really, though, Trump is going to be the Republicans' Obama. No matter what good or bad he does, Conservatives/Republicans are going to make excuses for him because they feel entitled to be the special snowflakes now. That's the most ironic and annoying thing about hardcore Trump supporters is that they don't realize this (some do and don't care, others don't and continue to believe that Trump is perfect in all ways).
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Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17

DeadlyOats wrote:

PC is a leftist, globalist invention designed to force people to think and act a certain way, even if it's against their core beliefs. A tool of thought police.

That is wrong, because it is Senators who usually make the bid for president, and if they did not behave as correctly as a president was expected to behave, then they are seen as unfit. Governors of states are also held to this high degree. But Trump really broke that mold, I'll admit. The people were tired of these fake high-brow, fake high-road these officials, and went with someone who was plain spoken, and unpolished. It seems that this time, the coarseness of Trump was ignored in favor of most parts of his message.


Political correctness at it's core just means 'don't be an ass and insult xyz group(s)'. Both sides of the aisle use it, even as conservatives are prone to use the term as a pejorative. Got offended by "basket of deplorables"? Congrats, you were offended by Clinton using a non-PC term. Yes, like anything given political life it can be used as a bludgeon, that doesn't make exercising at least a semblance of decorum inherently evil.

On topic: Even with the whole spat being over MLK day, it felt like Dems were leaning a bit too heavily on Lewis's civil rights record. Glossing over his accomplishments in political office doesn't effectively counter Trump's counter accusation. Trump's either going to have to grow some thicker skin or he's going to be stuck 'hitting back' for the next four years. PotUS is a thankless job that's the center of just about any criticism from or towards the US.
Posted 1/19/17
Jesus Christ. It's too hard for supposed adults to swallow their pride and get a grip. My steel-toed size tens ought to more than ample for shoving up their rear ends. Too soon will I forget that running a country actually means "crazed lunatics squabbling non-stop" in this day and age, assuming that governments ever once possessed a semblance of order and dignity.
Posted 1/19/17

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As for the comment about AIDS - well, you do realize most of the highest amount of HIV diagnoses are along the southern border of the US (from Arizona all the way over to Florida). As for the racial comment .. I'll just ignore it altogether as it's your typical trolling silliness.






Really gets the noggin' joggin'
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Posted 1/19/17

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Got offended by "basket of deplorables"? Congrats, you were offended by Clinton using a non-PC term.


Considering the amount of 'deplorable' t shirts, mugs, stickers and everything else that sold and is still selling I'd say there weren't very many people offended by it.



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Considering the amount of 'deplorable' t shirts, mugs, stickers and everything else that sold and is still selling I'd say there weren't very many people offended by it.



I don't doubt there's a number of "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic" people who were all to happy that Clinton described a majority of Trump's base as that. I wouldn't be so quick to judge every individual owning that slur as a political talking point owning those traits, though. There were plenty of people, including on this board, who were outraged by the comment.
Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17

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There were plenty of people, including on this board, who were outraged by the comment.


Just because people turned it around on ole Hilldawg doesn't necessarily mean they were outraged by it.
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Posted 1/19/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
Considering the amount of 'deplorable' t shirts, mugs, stickers and everything else that sold and is still selling I'd say there weren't very many people offended by it.


Trump certainly was. Pence certainly was. The whole conservative media certainly was.
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Posted 1/19/17

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qwueri wrote:

There were plenty of people, including on this board, who were outraged by the comment.


Just because people turned it around on ole Hilldawg doesn't necessarily mean they were outraged by it.



I was thus deeply shocked and alarmed this Friday to hear my opponent attack, slander, smear, demean these wonderful, amazing people who are supporting our campaign by the millions. Our support comes from every part of America and every walk of life. We have the support of cops and soldiers, carpenters and welders, the young and the old, and millions of working class families who just want a better future and a good job. These were the people Hillary Clinton so viciously demonized.

-Donald Trump


There's a lot more, but I think this is really all that's needed.
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