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The Road To The American Dream..
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1st off.. what's your definition of "The American Dream" ?

a good paying job? your own house? your own acre of land? etc..

whatever it is .. i guess getting there will not be easy..

i saw these videos from ABC News and PBS Newshour recently..

i don't know how accurate is the data provided by ABC News.. but only 50% of Americans are middle class? that's kind of low..

and what's your definition of middle class as well?


Pennsylvania Firefighter Works Three Jobs to Support His Family: Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll_8lgs9GCQ

Man Travels 4 Hours To and From Work Every Day: Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T3O4Xat1C0

American Workers Struggling to Make Ends Meet in Today's Economy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I28_9eAwEW4

Why so many students from for-profit schools are left in debt limbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytIVj-KuhEc




$54,000 income for a family of 5 ?
Posted 1/17/17

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1st off.. what's your definition of American Dream?


Nothing. This isn't the 1930's, nor the 1940's. Society has shifted where the "American Dream" is just some idealistic outcome. People come to this country to try to get a better life; yet, most Americans themselves are barely even trying to survive to the next month.

I guess the expectation of society would be "Have a good job, own a house, have a significant other, and have children."
I've had several decent jobs, owned several houses, and have no desire to have children or get married.

My "American Dream" is just to live while I'm alive. Nothing too specific, nothing too elaborate, nothing too greedy.
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ninjitsuko wrote:


AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:
1st off.. what's your definition of American Dream?


Nothing. This isn't the 1930's, nor the 1940's. Society has shifted where the "American Dream" is just some idealistic outcome. People come to this country to try to get a better life; yet, most Americans themselves are barely even trying to survive to the next month.

I guess the expectation of society would be "Have a good job, own a house, have a significant other, and have children."
I've had several decent jobs, owned several houses, and have no desire to have children or get married.

My "American Dream" is just to live while I'm alive. Nothing too specific, nothing too elaborate, nothing too greedy.



true it's not the 1930-40's .. it's 2017.. The American Dream is still around.. it's just harder to get there


"a better life" is the common response you will get when you asked to people who came to this country

*USCIS is one of my clients*

the definition of a better life will vary by person to person.. but it is part of the American Dream nonetheless


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The American Dream you ask?


Yes what about it
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true it's not the 1930-40's .. it's 2017.. The American Dream is still around.. it's just harder to get there


I think that's where you and I diverge. I don't think it's "harder to get there" - I think it's actually impossible because it doesn't exist.
The American Dream™ was coined in the 30's when it was possible to go and purchase a house for your family with a single "breadwinner" if you pushed yourself to do so. The same line of logic existed throughout the 40's (especially military returning from the war who could get a house for their family for mere fractions of a penny per dollar). Those things simply aren't possible unless you have a position that doesn't really value actual work ethics.

Nowadays, the "American Dream" is essentially anything that isn't <insert foreign country here that has it significantly more difficult than the United States>.
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I agree with ninjitsuko in that the American Dream in that it is nonexistent today. Before yes the American Dream was the idea for immigrants to move to America, get a job, have a big house with a yard, a car or two, and a loving family. However I believe that the American Dream which was aimed toward immigrants isn't a thing anymore and is now more individual. Now I would say the phrase is what is YOUR dream. Do you want to have a big house, make lots of money, or maybe travel around the world? I think that the American Dream has now been focused down so that the focus is more what do YOU want to do or accomplish.

Answering your second question I think that middle class is just an amount of pay that you get which is defined by the US government. Every year, depending on inflation and average income, the brackets of lower, middle, and upper class is moved around by the United States government. So middle class just means that your household makes enough money to be in the middle class bracket. So that means only one person in your house works, or everyone works as long as you make <insert amount here> then you are middle class by definition.
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My American dream is to move to Japan and become anime.
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my american dream is to get find a job that will work around my disablies. my american dream is to one day support myself. my american dream is to own a small reliable car.

but with the mimimum wage hike, the fact ive been unemployed since 2009, the fact that there are 5 people out there that can work back to back 12 hours shifts and i just cant, i dont see me getting off of SSI and SSDI anytime soon. i want to. but all the jobs i can do are being done by kids of have the health to bust their ass. and i dont. 15 years on meds does bad things to your body.

and middle class these days mean simply having enough to get by okay. becuase its a real strugle to just provide the basics and not be exhausted every single day.
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I think the American Dream is simple: "Enjoy the prosperity that America has to offer"
Peoples opinions on what that prosperity is, varies from person to person. With this variation, it means that there is no one single example for the American dream as the American dream is your dream. What you want out of life, is the American Dream What makes the American Dream so note-worthy, is that other countries around the 1920s, once this idea really began, weren't doing well after WWI which was in contrast to the USA, so this idea of pursing your dream was a bigger deal than it is today.
That being said, I don't think the American Dream has really died off. There are still people coming here to achieve their prosperity, and Americans still strive for theirs. Although, sometimes people begin to lose faith in the American dream due to, among other things, economic or foreign pressures on the nation (such as war or a bear market), but in fact it just makes the American Dream stronger. This is because the American Dream is rooted in hope. Hope for a better or just a job, a family, wealthy, or property, and when we go through a depression, recession, war, or even civil divide, eventually hope does return. When that hope returns, the American Dream becomes stronger.

But, that's just my 2 cents :/
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If there is a road to an American dream there's going to be a wall blocking it shortly.
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Sad to say, but you can only achieve the so called "American Dream" if you are rich. I live with my dad (who can't get a job because the govt. won't let him) and he only gets about 40K a year (was tougher when he had to provide for me, my mother, and my 2 brothers, and himself) My father is also a disabled veteran. Middle class to me, is being able to make it by without going broke in the middle of the month and having enough food and a house for you and your family.
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someone once said:


I have a dream that one day this nation will stop whining about politics and live as normal beings.
I have a dream that one day we'll reserve political discussion threads to a separate section, so the general section isn't cluttered with so much politics. i have a dream. that one day, anime discussion will dominate the discussion section and not politics.

i don't know who said it, but i agree.
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^^^

Until after the inauguration, and after a few weeks - if Trump isn't assassinated, the political atmosphere will not settle down. Obama is stirring the pot with his antics, giving the NSA cart blanc freedom to give all of our information, which they've gathered illegally, the freedom to give all of that information to 16 other government agencies without a warrant from a judge, and ending the First Amendment, as just a couple examples.

So, probably around February, things will settle down as America watches to see what Trump actually does as president.

Don't worry. It will settle down, and we'll go back talking about stuff, like, "do you eat chicken's feet or do you use them in voodoo rituals?"
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I'd saying being a home owner, being able to keep up with your bills, own a car (if not in a heavy urbanized area), having your children go to college or tech training, being able to afford children without state support, having stable employment and the ability to afford a vacation or two every year would be things that the middle class should expect to have.

I consider myself lower middle class, but will probably rise up to upper middle class once I finish paying down my debt and continue to develop my professional skills.

That being said, the American middle class has been in a slow decline since around the year 2000. I know most people of my generation are going to have a lower standard of living than our parents, let alone one even with them. If I have children, their economic prospects will be worse than mine unless this country gets its long term economic health in order.

Part of the reasons you are seeing a dying middle class include: globalization getting rid of decent paying low skilled work, university and technical training getting more and more expensive (skills needed are expensive to obtain), unaffordable quality health insurance, lackluster public education, and in general a cost of living that now exceeds the crappy wages most people are making these days. Add in foreign currency manipulation, unfair/one sided trade agreements, lack of collective bargaining, too much unskilled immigration and it is easy to see how we got to where we are, hopefully someone can fix it.

I still believe achieving the American Dream is still possible, but much more difficult due to many of the barriers I stated above.
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