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First Amendment Has Been Destroyed!
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What Has our Government Done?! I just learned that Friday Night, December 23, 2016, Obama signed a Bill that made it the governments job to determine what the truth is in the press.

The government can now determine what news is true and what news is fake. Freedom of the press is gone forever. It's an actual law, passed by both houses of Congress, and signed by Obama. I think it's time to write your congressman/woman and tell them to repeal it.

This video is how I first became aware of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvCi1qekfdA

I decided to look around on the web to lean more about what other news sources had to say about it.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin941.htm


Folks, you and I both know that the MSM in America is the biggest disseminator of “fake news” on the planet. For all intents and purposes, the MSM is the Propaganda Ministry for the always lying government in Washington, D.C. But now with the MSM being totally discredited during this past election, the big-government sycophants in DC have created an OFFICIAL ministry of propaganda--or “truth” as some are calling it.

Can you imagine those crooks, thieves, and liars on Capitol Hill setting themselves up as the guardians and protectors of truth? Pardon me while I puke!

As of December 23, ladies and gentleman, the federal government has authority from Congress to shut down any news service, any website, or any information clearinghouse in the country that proffers what the government considers to be “propaganda.” And remember, this was passed by both Republicans and Democrats.

So, kiss the First Amendment goodbye, folks, because it’s G-O-N-E.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/ministry-of-truth-plus-611-billion-for-the-military-in-2017-obama-quietly-signs-the-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act-into-law/5564740



http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/12/fake-news-and-propaganda-to-be-watched-by-new-federal-agency-001361809.html


The bill, also referred to as the Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692), calls for coordination between heads of state in creating a center for the creation of counter-narratives to ‘foreign propaganda.’ Authorities involved include the secretaries of State and Defense as well and the Director of National Intelligence. Targeted are powers like Russia and China in addition to 'non-state actors.'


Non-state actors = anyone else they feel like targeting - anyone in the news industry, or even the forums where information is passed along, and debated. Like we do here on CR.

So, why are the big news outlets quiet about this? Why aren't they reporting this? This could be good for business. If the government labels all of the alternative news sites as "propaganda outlets" and shuts them down, their competitors will disappear and people will have to go back to watching the main stream media outlets. Maybe that's why they're quiet.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/01/10/media-remains-silent-as-obama-signs-anti-propaganda-bill-that-harms-press-freedom/



Here is the Bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5181/text?format=txt

And there are two other Bills related to it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5181/related-bills

What I understood from reading parts of the Bill is that a government agency will be created to "fact check" news coming from Russia, China, and other non-government agencies (terrorists, bloggers, news organizations, etc.), and then after "fact checking" this news, to present the "real facts" of this news. These "real facts" will then be the truth that news organizations can then "confidently" report.

Isn't fact checking something that news organizations are suppose to do themselves? When the Russians report something, the big news outlets just copy and paste what was said, and don't really do any of their own fact checking. It's the fault of the big news organizations for letting their lazy and sloppy reporting create a situation that they find themselves tools of misinformation, and propaganda.

They have been used in this way for years by our own government. That's why alternative news sights and the bloggosphere came into being. Americans became tired of fake news. If it's easy for our own government to take advantage of this lazy approach to journalism, as practiced by big news organizations, then why not others? So, Russia, China, ISIS, report their version of news and our lazy media just cuts and pastes it, without fact checking anything.

Instead of creating a government agency that will tell Americans what it thinks the truth is, the big lazy and sloppy news organizations should be made to clean up their acts and do their own fact checking.

So, yeah. Obama signed a bill into law that creates a new government agency, run by the State Department in coordination with other government agencies to tell Americans what the truth is.

The Ministry of Truth has become a real thing. What has Washington done to us? What could they possibly have been thinking to so dramatically destroy the First Amendment in such a manner? The First Amendment is the very foundation on which America was built, and they just destroyed that foundation. What happens to a building whose foundation has been destroyed? It collapses. That's what happens.

The Foundation, our First Amendment.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment



Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Maybe we can fight this in the Supreme Court.
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You ever consider a career in populist journalism?
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well the second ammendment has long been fucked, the goverment can now legally take illegal action against who the fuck ever it wants. it can kidnap and torture american citizens, fuck the geneva convention. it has engaged in the whole sale slaughter of civilians in wartime.
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Lots of opinions in that OP that I didn't feel like reading, so I just read the text of the bill instead. Here it is: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2692/text

Summary:
-Establish a Center for Information Analysis and Response whose function is to analyze information, identify and counter (generally foreign) false narratives with facts and aid our allies in fighting against foreign propaganda

I don't believe there are any restrictions on the press whatsoever written into this bill. Unless there is another bill you are referring to, or you think the government saying "no, that isn't true" is somehow destroying the constitution, this seems like an overreaction.
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I would find more credence in your words if you weren't using sources like:

Josh Tolley who has videos titled, "The Antichrist has been NAMED and 'Dark Resurrection' is Coming" or "Doomsday Approaching - Gov. Spending is Signaling Preparation"

Collective evolution which has articles about how water fluoridation blocks the telepathic abilities of our soul and 9/11 truthing.

News with Views, "Satanic Temple Gets OK for After-School Club for Kids" and "America is on the cliff of destruction and we have arrived at the final moment" Oct 11 btw

Blasting news seems legitimate enough though. The article you posted appears to be balanced as well, so thank you for introducing me to them.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Russia actually does have a disinformation campaign directed at improving how the world views them. The US certainly doesn't need to stop them, but Russia is a repressive state with a leader who has assassinated his political enemies (polonium, stabbing oneself to death with two knives, middle of the night shooting -police called it a robbery even though nothing was taken) so I'll let you make of that what you will.
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Don't you ever get sick of obnoxiously spouting lie after lie that nobody, save your few fellow conspiracy nutjobs who will believe anything that makes the government look bad, will buy?
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Lala, is that you?
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runec wrote:

Lala, is that you?


He did nuke that account of his lately...
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Thankfully no, I am not a sockpuppet. Is there a non-compromising manner in which I may prove that?

My writing style could be similar to his but I couldn't say.
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The best part is how they decided to sneak federalizing all media into that bill. It's hardly clearly stated - and that's definitely intentional.

Why isn't the media talking about it? That would pretty much prove who they get paid by and whom they cater to, wouldn't it? lol - as if this weren't already obvious as hell. It would definitely look awful and dishonest of them to report on that article, so like anything that isn't convenient they just choose to pass it by completely.

Sorry, it isn't going to work. People, even people who don't pay attention, are wising up to their crap. I have been asking random people where I work if they believe any of what they hear on the news - people of all colors from all walks of life - and I have yet to hear a yes. Most of them tell me they stopped watching the news networks and they just go on the internet for it now - hallelujah.
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Inatophat wrote:

Thankfully no, I am not a sockpuppet. Is there a non-compromising manner in which I may prove that?

My writing style could be similar to his but I couldn't say.


I was talking about Oats. You were being sensible.



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Obama = dictator

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Alright, alright. Calm down soapbox-kun. This is not good from a freedom of press standpoint, but not really as bad as you claim either.

After reading the bill, the stated goals of the committee formed by this are to gather information about foreign propaganda being disseminated in the US and allied countries by foreign actors and to counter those news items with "fact-based narratives" to be advanced by the committee. The only other stated goals of the bill (now Act, I suppose) are to archive examples of foreign "propaganda" and to make a recommendation to Congress regarding the findings of the committee twelve months after it is formed.

You yell about how "the government is going to propagandize us" now that the bill has passed. What's your point? They already do: a substantial chunk of national politics is comprised of the two major parties spinning narratives about current events, and the partisan news media are complicit in their efforts. My knee jerk reaction to this was also that the feds are going to use it to justify the advancement of their own version of the news, but then I thought about it some more. The silver lining in the bill is that federal agencies are subject to FOIA and so they are easily checked. Since the government decided there was a need for this, the formation of the committee is probably the best possible outcome. Otherwise, the cabinet secretaries that are involved with the bill (and others in federal government generally and the executive branch in particular) will leak whatever narrative they want off the record to the press. At least this way they are somewhat accountable, so which would you rather have?
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If it only applies to foreign press they can probably do that. If it applies to Americans in any way, it will be overturned in the Supreme Court.

The amendment is pretty clear:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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Alright, alright. Calm down soapbox-kun. This is not good from a freedom of press standpoint, but not really as bad as you claim either.

After reading the bill, the stated goals of the committee formed by this are to gather information about foreign propaganda being disseminated in the US and allied countries by foreign actors and to counter those news items with "fact-based narratives" to be advanced by the committee. The only other stated goals of the bill (now Act, I suppose) are to archive examples of foreign "propaganda" and to make a recommendation to Congress regarding the findings of the committee twelve months after it is formed.

You yell about how "the government is going to propagandize us" now that the bill has passed. What's your point? They already do: a substantial chunk of national politics is comprised of the two major parties spinning narratives about current events, and the partisan news media are complicit in their efforts. My knee jerk reaction to this was also that the feds are going to use it to justify the advancement of their own version of the news, but then I thought about it some more. The silver lining in the bill is that federal agencies are subject to FOIA and so they are easily checked. Since the government decided there was a need for this, the formation of the committee is probably the best possible outcome. Otherwise, the cabinet secretaries that are involved with the bill (and others in federal government generally and the executive branch in particular) will leak whatever narrative they want off the record to the press. At least this way they are somewhat accountable, so which would you rather have?


Laws are very commonly used in ways that were not intended after they're instated. Look at all the crap Obama pulled to silence whistle-blowers. If it can be used - it will be used to keep power consolidated. The proposed reason for such a bill is beside the point.


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If it only applies to foreign press they can probably do that. If it applies to Americans in any way, it will be overturned in the Supreme Court.

The amendment is pretty clear:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




They're calling things that are not foreign press foreign press. They have accused Trump of being a Russian agent, and said other conservative news outlets have something to do with Russia - news outlets that have always been based in America. I suppose it probably wouldn't apply to anyone they label a "conspiracy theorist" though - how convenient!

At some point it's going to come down to evidence that supposedly exists that they refuse to make public - just like all the current alleged evidence that Russia hacked the election. We're just going to have to take their words for it! They wouldn't lie, right?
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