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First Amendment Has Been Destroyed!
Posted 1/17/17
Government fact checking meh. They are not compelling anyone to print anything or forbidding for that matter nor can they.
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Posted 1/17/17

mxdan wrote:

You ever consider a career in populist journalism?


I would actually suggest Tabloid articles more. His stories fit better there.

I remember seeing two that made me laugh and cry a bit inside..

"Hillary Clinton and her hidden stash of 100,000 Nuclear Warheads!"
"Steve Irwin commit suicide instead of divorcing wife!"

Fuck you Tabloids. Fuck you.
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Posted 1/17/17

prh99 wrote:

Government fact checking meh. They are not compelling anyone to print anything or forbidding for that matter nor can they.


If the government says to a news agency, "that story is not factually correct," and then proceeds to tell the news agency, "this is the truth." If that news agency proceeds with their original story, the government will then label that news agency as a distributer of fake news. The news agency's reputation and credibility can be hurt.

They can lose readers, suffer a decline in subscribers, etc. What do you think that news agency will do? To protect its business, it will have to conform to what the government says is the truth. To do otherwise, is to harm their business.

How will their business be harmed? Not only by losing subscribers and readers, but potential business from advertisers will dry up. Who wants to advertise with a news agency the government has declared is a purveyor of fake news?

There has never been a time that when our freedoms have been very slightly compromised that the government hasn't found a way to compound that compromise. Give the government a hand, and they'll take your arm and the shoulder it's attached to.
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Posted 1/17/17
So it's a government administration designed to investigate the truthfulness of news stories, hm? They should call it the Ministry of Truth!

In all seriousness, though, governmental propaganda outlets are hardly anything new, and that's probably all this is going to wind up being.
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Posted 1/17/17

octorockandroll wrote:

Don't you ever get sick of obnoxiously spouting lie after lie that nobody, save your few fellow conspiracy nutjobs who will believe anything that makes the government look bad, will buy?


No. He doesn't. They feed off their own fumes I think.
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Posted 1/17/17

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Obama = dictator


So Obama Dismantled Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, Abolished the rights of states, Made laws as he pleased and had sole military authority. I don't think he did any of those things. Yes he made political promises to other countries, All presidents have that right and must use it, yes, he circumvented congress, to make laws, that he also had the legal ability to intact. Despite his actions, most of them will be reversed in the next few years. He fought many battles and only won a few. He was far from a dictator. And may i add Made far fewer mistakes than Bush.
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Posted 1/17/17
Why is everybody jumping on him like hes a crazy person?

Remember that little thing called the patriot act? which was brought upon you all to "save you from terrorists" but ended up being used to spy on you?

You guys just see who made the thread and omg it must be an over reaction. Theres no way our government would abuse this is there?????
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Posted 1/17/17

Aethix0 wrote:

So it's a government administration designed to investigate the truthfulness of news stories, hm? They should call it the Ministry of Truth!

In all seriousness, though, governmental propaganda outlets are hardly anything new, and that's probably all this is going to wind up being.


Government propaganda has always been spread by the major news outlets. What's going to be different is that now, the government can ALSO decide what is true news and what is fake news. What will also be new is that government will now be able to point out news organizations and say, "those guys are fake news, and them other guys are true news."

In order not to be pointed out as a "fake news organization" by the government, a news organization will be forced to tell the truth, according to what the government said was the truth - even if you didn't agree with the government's version of what the truth was.

You see? In that way, the press will no longer be free to report the news according to the information that they gathered and the conclusions that they've reached. The government might have a different take on their conclusions, making the findings of the investigative journalists invalid, because it did not match up with the government's truth.
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Posted 1/17/17

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Why is everybody jumping on him like hes a crazy person?

Remember that little thing called the patriot act? which was brought upon you all to "save you from terrorists" but ended up being used to spy on you?

You guys just see who made the thread and omg it must be an over reaction. Theres no way our government would abuse this is there?????


Yeah, I've been ignoring them. Instead of arguing intelligently, they've just been insulting, demeaning and denigrating me. I just ignore them, and only answer people who put out valid questions and arguments.
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Posted 1/17/17
i think what people who are attacking deadly oats should think about is he knows trump gets into power in a few days.

Hes not complaining that the obama run government is going to take his own truth away but the new republican government will now have the powers given with this law. shouldnt that work in his favour? why is he still upset about this peice of legislation?

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Posted 1/17/17
one thing ive found from reading all of these "right vs left" forum posts is that people only credit news sources that appeal the most to their point and ignore every other source as fallacious be it credible or not.

I'm pretty convinced people just want to create chaos and don't really care about what their opponent thinks about anything, they just want you to say something triggering so they can place you in a box
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Posted 1/17/17
Simply because he wrote "Obama signed a bill" everyone took it as he was blaming obama for the whole thing.

what he said isnt factually incorrect obama did sign the bill. after that he only says "the government" can do... etc etc. this clearly wasnt meant as a left vs right hate thread but this is something he indeed thinks is serious.

everyone is too quick to jump the gun.
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Posted 1/17/17 , edited 1/17/17

IShouldBeStudying wrote:

one thing ive found from reading all of these "right vs left" forum posts is that people only credit news sources that appeal the most to their point and ignore every other source as fallacious be it credible or not.

I'm pretty convinced people just want to create chaos and don't really care about what their opponent thinks about anything, they just want you to say something triggering so they can place you in a box



Republicans are just as corrupt as Democrats. You can't trust either of them to be honest. The problem is that this power can and will be misused. Look at all of the ways our government has misused other laws and policies that have hurt all Americans. This one has to be fought, no matter what party has control of the government.



Bailey86 wrote:

i think what people who are attacking deadly oats should think about is he knows trump gets into power in a few days.

Hes not complaining that the obama run government is going to take his own truth away but the new republican government will now have the powers given with this law. shouldnt that work in his favour? why is he still upset about this peice of legislation?



This time, it's not about Right vs Left. It's about abuse of power and the American people being further robbed of their Constitutional rights. This law seriously damaged the First Amendment.

The First Amendment protects everyone, the Left and the Right. We all have to fight this law. I'm hoping you will see it.

1) Patriot Act. It was a law that promised to protect Americans from terrorists in exchange for a loss of some of their freedoms. This was abused. The NSA took off running with it. They regularly spy on Americans and are creating dossiers on All Americans, the way the old Soviet Union used to do it with their people.

And just a few days ago, Obama approved new rules that let the NSA freely distribute these dossiers to 16 government agencies in the United States. The terrorists are mostly over seas. The few that are here, are here because they immigrated from those terrorist prone regions, or they were brainwashed by recruiters visiting mosques in the United States.

There's no need for the NSA to create dossiers on EVERY American, but this is what they are doing.

By the way, the amendment that is affect here, is the Fourth Amendment. Seriously eroded - no, actually destroyed completely. Fourth Amendment is gone, too.

2) Establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. It promised Americans that it would improve the efficiency of the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, ATF, etc, etc, etc, by creating a clearing house where intelligence gathered by these many agencies could share what they've found about terrorists and America's other enemies.

DHS is now using the power of these agencies to monitor Americans, and not just foreign enemies. With Obama's permission for the NSA to share their data collected on Americans, freely without a judge's warrant. We now have a genuine, real, honest to goodness secret police.

Again, this is possible, because they are ignoring our Forth Amendment rights.

3) Continued degradation of the Second Amendment. Making it harder for Americans to keep their families safe, and disarming Americans, so that - if that day ever comes - Americans feel a need to stop a dictatorial government from assuming power, we will be powerless to take action.

4) The H.R. 5181 Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act. That's what this thread is about. The serious blow to our freedom of speech and freedom of the press that this law represents.

If you can't see a pattern from all of this, if you can't connect the dots, then it's because you are unwilling to see it. You don't want to see it.

This is not about Right vs Left. This is about the American people vs a slowly forming police state regime in our country. Little by little, one Constitutional amendment at a time.

This has been going on since Bush Sr. made his New World Order speech....
Posted 1/18/17

sundin13 wrote:

or you think the government saying "no, that isn't true" is somehow destroying the constitution, this seems like an overreaction.


Yes because the government using taxdollars to create a Ministry of Truth is just fine.



Hey I guess if that's fine you should be okay with a Muslim registry, camps and mass deportations?
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Posted 1/18/17
If the government bans "fake news",
I should stock up and horde.
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