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Posted 1/21/17 , edited 1/21/17

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Hmmmmmmmm... don't lose next time.


Nice reply, though I think the OP would appreciate more discussion though.


O.K. Then instead of criticizing someone for not giving enough discussion, how about you actually add to the discussion? (I know. That applies to my post criticizing you for not discussing the topic at hand. But you see how that worked?)

In fact, let me discuss the topic on hand. He was quite clear where he stood on it. And he said he was going to do this. So, he's following through. Americans voted for him, knowing this.

Not everyone believed that climate change was the result of human activity. (I happen to believe that climate change IS the result of human activity. However, the election was more than just about one issue. I'm sure millions of Americans felt the way I did, as they voted for Trump.

Who knows. With enough pressure to our Congressional representatives, maybe Trump will reverse himself. That's what the checks and balances are for. The Legislative branch checks the Executive branch, which checks The Supreme Court, which checks the Legislative branch.

Those ignorant masses burning and destroying and rioting have turned to anarchy instead of remembering that our Constitution has provided Americans a way to say 'no' to stuff.

That's why Obama gave so many executive orders, because America was saying "no" to him about stuff through their Legislative representatives, and so he had to go around it. Fortunately, Trump can undo all of those executive orders. And if Trump goes that route, the next president can undo his executive orders, too.


I was replying to an unhelpful and somewhat inflammatory post, I.E. If you're going to talk shit make it more than one sentence. These one line dismissals by the people who do not even bother to engage in discussion of their ideas are just close minded. I think I myself have discussed a fairer view of Trump that wasn't outright demonizing him or making him out to be a messiah in politics. Heck, I started a couple of threads to engage others on what Trump is actually doing or the state of affairs concerning the inauguration. Didn't I earn enough onii chan points to criticize others for not contributing?
Posted 1/21/17 , edited 1/24/17
My contribution was a few words of advice. I didn't realize that I was required to exceed a certain number of characters in my replies.
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Posted 1/21/17

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BlackRose0607 wrote:

That's really fucked up that Trump got rid of those categories on the White House web page. Especially since he said that he was for Veterans as part of his campaign. I'm no supporter of his but I do remember that. The getting rid of the LGBT thing sadly doesn't surprise me though as I never saw anything from him supporting that.

+10,000 points and you win the internet today for me for the music video you linked though. Within Temptation is my all time favorite English speaking band and that is an epic music video of theirs.


What worries me most is how fast the presidents updated the full website when they were sworn into office. It took Trump less than an hour to update the site... which means he has finished it. After all, the prep work is done before they take office. That means Trump really has forsaken the Veterans, the LGBT, Climate Change and other Human rights. It scares me to no end.

On a side note, thanks for letting me win the internet for the day! I am honored! What can I spend these 10,000 points on? A Lotus Evora maybe?

If you like Within Temptation, you may like Kamelot (WT with male singer), Epica, Nightwish (Tarja from the video is an ex Nightwish singer) or a new band I found Ignea. They are all Symphonic Metal and I enjoy all of these bands!

Edit 1: Trump said he was for LGBT rights, Pence on the other hand said no. There was a small scandal about it because the VP and POTUS were at odds. I think Trump was just digging for votes wherever he could get them though.


Yeah, that worries me too. Especially since I'm a Bisexual female. At least I live in one of the most accepting states for that, thank Goddess. And a state that is very much pro-Veteran, pro-environment and pro-human rights as well. I know that Federal regulations can overturn state regulations, but I'm sure my state would fight a lot of the ones that they would find would cause a negative impact. This whole thing has scared me since Trump became the Republican nominee, and it isn't getting any better it appears.

Heh, you're welcome. And you can use them on whatever you want.

Oh, I know who Nightwish and Tarja are very much already, and I think I knew of them even before I knew of Within Temptation, and I like their music a lot as well. Have heard a couple of Kamelot songs before and didn't really care for them. Epica I've heard a few songs of before and I liked them as well, just haven't really looked into them further. I'll have to check out that other band you mentioned, Ignea. I like Symphonic Metal a lot myself, but if it's sung in English I have to be able to understand the words enough to be able to sing along to be able to enjoy it. None of that screamo stuff, you know? Funny thing about Within Temptation, Angels is the first song I heard of theirs in an AMV and I kind of wrote them off as a Christian band at first until I heard Memories. I know that they have a lot of Christian themes in their music, but more of them feel like fantasy ones to me.

Ah, I see about the Trump/Pence thing on LGBT rights. I don't think I really heard anything about Trump talking about it, and I've stayed away from most of the political threads on here usually, so that's probably why I missed it. That does make sense for Trump though.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I was replying to an unhelpful and somewhat inflammatory post, I.E. If you're going to talk shit make it more than one sentence. These one line dismissals by the people who do not even bother to engage in discussion of their ideas are just close minded. I think I myself have discussed a fairer view of Trump that wasn't outright demonizing him or making him out to be a messiah in politics. Heck, I started a couple of threads to engage others on what Trump is actually doing or the state of affairs concerning the inauguration. Didn't I earn enough onii chan points to criticize others for not contributing?


Yeah.... I realized that and took a hit as I criticized myself for doing the same thing....

I have this thing about, instead of deleting something I realize ain't right, I'll leave it up and then own up to my error for thinking that way in the first place.... I don't always do it, but this is one of those situations. As you can see, I went further by posting my thoughts - adding to the discussion.

"But you saw how that worked?"

It detracted and distracted from my contribution to the discussion...

Somehow I think it's dishonest to not put my original thoughts in, the good with the bad. This is how live conversation works, and I guess I try to do the same on forums. Maybe I should rethink this way of thinking....?
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shugotenshi-atm wrote:

Wait as long as you want. Only Congress can actually change departments. Trump can sign legislation they pass, but he can't make it. It was Bush who last increased the size of government dramatically with the security apparatus.

Also only congress can make the wall happen. Trump has zero control over the budget. However it is true Mexico can be made to pay for the wall.


You're right to curtail the feeling "Trump's gonna do this, Trump's gonna do that." He needs congressional approval. However.

When you say "Trump has zero control over the budget," you're saying something completely, 100% false. In fact, he has more control over the budget than any single person in the world. Congress writes the budgets and can, with enough people, override the president, so I'd say Congress as a whole is more influential in what budget passes, but Trump has a quite large say in that. Remember the government shutdown a few years ago? Yeah, that's because Congress had a budget that Obama didn't approve. President still signs off on budgets, although congress does write the budgets. If Trump doesn't like a budget, he can veto.

It's ridiculous for Trump supporters to think that Trump can do whatever he wants, but it's equally ridiculous for detractors to say "lolwut? Trump can't do anything, noob." He's not powerless.
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Posted 1/21/17 , edited 1/21/17

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My esteemed former colleague does a good job outlining it here.

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/article_631765e4-d398-11e6-8739-97d376812401.html

And that's just one policy effect for one state. It's likely to have similar or even worse effects on other states in a similar financial situation (Kansas, Wisconsin, etc.,)

I'll have more later.


I really don't like the "repeal and replace" line of thought. What needs to be done should be more akin to "patching."

I can understand the apparent intent, but repealing is dangerous as we can't be sure the real intent is to replace it. I see these kind of things with businesses all the time where they remove a feature from a product/service and promise to add it back at a later date without ever following up on the promise.

I didn't like the ACA because I thought it was rushed and didn't do enough to solve the problem to justify the economic effect it would have on the insurance market... I don't see that effect as reversible so a repeal makes no sense to me. We have to patch it up.

Another thing that will likely be in the crosshairs next... Getting rid of Net Neutrality would be amazingly stupid too if the anti-competitive protectionist laws that telecoms lobbied for aren't completely eradicated at the local levels.
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Hmm, do you think it's completely shit, though? We can always transition back to protecting the climate, more fiercely than ever, and perhaps with more support than ever once the rest of the world sees how dangerous it is for a big country like the USA to ignore climate change. In the short term, maybe we could just use the money, too. That's the big advantage to these limited terms, we can adapt the administration very easily and everyone understands that new administrations behave differently.


Time is a limiting factor for the damage they can do, of course, but I think there's an even more powerful one that doesn't require any waiting at all: dedicated, consistent activism and protest. If there's anything that can be taken from the long struggle against the DAPL it's that this sort of thing can gain ground and that endurance in the face of brutality and chicanery (and my, but was there a lot of both to show there) can be rewarded. Another example is the Women's March, which had green elements in its platform and produced astounding participation figures.
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So after reading through the thread, there were alot of posts I wanted to respond to directly, but not going to take the time to do so and just respond to general sentiments.

First my general perspective is that I haven't seen what actions trump is going to take, and from my perusal of the website it doesn't feel finished but it feels more like they wanted something up that didn't reflect Obama's goals. So I personally expect more changes and policy sections to come probably within the next month or so, but I could be wrong.

As far as the energy section, if the government gets out of green energy its not like that would be a death-knell to the green energy movement. Plenty of private capital is being invested in finding new and improving existing energy tech, yeah it could potentially slow it down but likely not very much.

For Veterans, the website in its current form does say this,
"We will get our veterans the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. There should be no more long drives. No more wait lists or scheduling backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support our veterans have earned through sacrifice and service to our country. The Trump Administration will transform the Department of Veterans Affairs to meet the needs of 21st century service members and of our female veterans. Our reforms will begin with firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, modernizing the bureaucracy, and empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/making-our-military-strong-again

So that at least shows that there is some concern about Vets from the white house that they a least have some space on what I believe to be a interim draft of the webpage.



Generally though my biggest concern politically is deficit spending which I don't think Trump or the republican party is really going to do anything about(that said I think they are far less destructive on this front than the dems). If we can't get to the point where we don't have to borrow to pay the bills we will eventually be SOL.
Posted 1/22/17
Trump cares for the vets a lot of them voted him in as far as the page goes.. wait and see it's
early. What I am hoping for is a end to sanctuary cities and those wasted funds. To many have lost their lives on that wasted shit
how many times does a illegal get to return only to kill a person? and then we want harbor them > give me a break!
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Xxanthar wrote:

Are their any preliminary estimates on how many polar bears will drown because of this?


Not sure about drowning, but we can probably expect more of this:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/02/160223-polar-bears-arctic-cannibals-animals-science/
Posted 1/22/17 , edited 1/24/17

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:

Are their any preliminary estimates on how many polar bears will drown because of this?


Not sure about drowning, but we can probably expect more of this:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/02/160223-polar-bears-arctic-cannibals-animals-science/


Oh a male eats the young of another polar bear! That has been going on since animals started walking, but let's paint it so it seems like it's never happened before!
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Oh a male eats the young of another polar bear! That has been going on since animals started walking, but let's paint it so it seems like it's never happened before!


It's happening with greater frequency, likely because the warming temperatures are depleting their normal prey base.

Also, there's this.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/polar-bears-are-eating-dolphins-probably-thanks-climate-change-180955608/
Posted 1/22/17 , edited 1/24/17

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:


Oh a male eats the young of another polar bear! That has been going on since animals started walking, but let's paint it so it seems like it's never happened before!


It's happening with greater frequency, likely because the warming temperatures are depleting their normal prey base.

Also, there's this.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/polar-bears-are-eating-dolphins-probably-thanks-climate-change-180955608/


Perhaps some liberals can volunteer to feed themselves to the polar bears and help these poor cubs out.
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Wow, once they start eating unicorns then we'll know it's a very serious problem.

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To many have lost their lives on that wasted shit how many times does a illegal get to return only to kill a person? and then we want harbor them > give me a break!


Statistically you're more likely to murder someone than an immigrant is. So where should we send you? -.-

Also, Obama deported more people than any other president. Something even Cheeto Benito acknowledged.


"President Obama has moved millions of people out. Nobody knows about it, nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. They’ve been deported. She doesn’t want to say that, but that’s what’s happened, and that’s what happened big league." - Donald Trump


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