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I was hoping it would be stream. But know that Yuri on Ice is going to win - so no problems. You guys that live in SF - jealous!
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Still no news about where or if its going to be livestreamed for everyone NOT in san fransisco :^)
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I'm trying to figure out if the people who are complaining about Yuri On Ice even bothered watching or are just upset their favorite anime didn't stand a chance...

And for the record, I know/follow quite a few people including myself who love Yuri On Ice and we're all in our 20's.
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I'm trying to figure out if the people who are complaining about Yuri On Ice even bothered watching or are just upset their favorite anime didn't stand a chance...

And for the record, I know/follow quite a few people including myself who love Yuri On Ice and we're all in our 20's.



It's all people who thought a popularity contest was anything but a popularity contest.
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KittyNekkyo wrote:

I'm trying to figure out if the people who are complaining about Yuri On Ice even bothered watching or are just upset their favorite anime didn't stand a chance...

And for the record, I know/follow quite a few people including myself who love Yuri On Ice and we're all in our 20's.


[I'm sorry, this ended up longer than I planned, but if you actually want an answer please read it all. I tried to be as clear and explanatory as I could...]

I will try to keep my response calm and contained because unlike others who have a problem with it, I certainly enjoyed Yuri on Ice, I don't want to imply otherwise.

Having said that, it isn't to do with 'favorite.' That's the main thing people are complaining about. Awards things like this are supposed to be about merit and what was objectively perceived to be the best thing in each category, however they clearly became a popularity contest, with Yuri on Ice winning at least two awards it just doesn't deserve if you look at it objectively.

So first are the ones that are more subjective. 'Best Boy', 'Best Couple' for sure I don't really think can be disputed, because they really are just down to personal preference. The same goes for 'Best Opening', though that is a little bit questionable from a technical standpoint (were there other openings with greater creativity, animation etc.).

Then there's the one I consider undeserving, but if subjectivity comes into it I can kind of forgive it, which is the 'Most Heartwarming Scene'. Personally I feel that no matter how much people loved 'the kiss' and having the Victuuri ship confirmed, if every single person who voted that way had also watched Erased from start to finish and voted from a purely objective standpoint, Kayo's first homecooked meal would have won by a fairly significant margin. I may be wrong but this is my personal view if you really think about what a 'heartwarming scene' should be like.

Then there's the two it just doesn't deserve, and clearly only won because of YoI's popularity, and because a significant quantity of the fanbase had watched very few or none of the other entries. Firstly, the 'Best Ending'. You can claim this is also subjective, but really, the ending was barely ever mentioned in fan circles. The opening was everywhere, both being praised for its moving song, beautiful paint-effect etc., with the phrases 'history makers' and 'born to make history' being all over the internet, but the ending really had virtually no merit. Not only was the song not particularly talked about or hyped, the actual ending credits footage was noticeably uninspired and unoriginal. Even in the case that you really liked the song, the work that clearly went into the phenomenal window-painting ending credits reel for Mob Psycho 100 was unmistakably deserving of the title of best ending, regardless of the accompanying song.

Finally, the 'Best Animation'. I saw a lot of YoI fans saying things like 'do you even understand how difficult it would be to choreograph and animate multiple figure-skating routines?' etc., but this is dodging the issue. It doesn't matter how difficult it is, the reality is that the final result often suffered. There were certainly patches of stunning animation, but there were significantly more jumpy or poorly-animated sequences, both of the skating routines and of general conversation and background scenes etc.. In comparison to this, the creative, virtually flawless and consistently awe-inspiring animation in both Mob Psycho 100 and Flip Flappers was clearly better from a technical standpoint (and really, technical standpoint is by far the most important thing for a 'Best Animation' award...).

Sorry for going on a bit (I am trying to be as clear and polite as possible), but I hope you can at least appreciate now why the awards have made a lot of people angry. You may trivialise all this by saying that 'Anime of the Year' is still subjective, or even objectively many people would claim the AotY to be Yuri on Ice, but I just think that people cannot conclusively say YoI is the best anime of the year before watching (properly) the other major contenders that have been commonly praised as the best anime of the year. If they still think YoI was the best after that, then that's fine, but the reality is that the bulk of the fanbase watched very few, if any, other anime this year.



Just to clarify again, I don't want to talk badly about Yuri on Ice because I genuinely enjoyed it a great deal, however, I am more interested in objectivity for awards such as this. I intentionally watch everything that is legally simulcast every season specifically so that I feel justified claiming that one show was better than another or vice versa etc. I realise that not everyone has the time or commitment to do this, but I still can't understand how people can claim one show is better than everything else when it was one of the only things they watched the entire year...


(also I don't understand what your comment on your age had to do with it? many, many people outside of the true YoI fanbase enjoyed the series, they just didn't think it deserved how much hype it has received)
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Hi you guys im so sorry im new to crunchyroll and i was wondering if you can help me idk where to go or post but i constantly get kicked out of my account..

everytime i try to sign up for premium or post anything it says i have to log in
and on top of that there are times i click on my account and an 404 error page appears
idk what to do can you guys help..
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Well Yuri won, Tumbler strikes again, all they did was spam accounts. Re Zero should had wont it by a landslide.
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Hi you guys im so sorry im new to crunchyroll and i was wondering if you can help me idk where to go or post but i constantly get kicked out of my account..

everytime i try to sign up for premium or post anything it says i have to log in
and on top of that there are times i click on my account and an 404 error page appears
idk what to do can you guys help..


Sorry I can't be of more help but Crunchyroll has been having issues like this for many users recently, I think they keep getting DDoS'd (basically 'hacked' but just in a way that their service gets a bit slow or unresponsive, not in the sense of anyone taking control of the site etc.). I can't really say much more than that but know that you are not alone. Have you tried emailing support?
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hunglikeazombie15 wrote:

Well Yuri won, Tumbler strikes again, all they did was spam accounts. Re Zero should had wont it by a landslide.


Thanks for the update bro. I am upset as I don't think it deserved it, I would have given it to Re:Zero or Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, but I suppose if people really thought it deserved it I don't have much right to tell them otherwise. (Though I highly suspect that most of the votes were from the same fans that watched few or no other shows that aired last year but apparently still felt justified claiming it to be more deserving of the various awards it won than the shows they didn't watch...)
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Awards things like this are supposed to be about merit and what was objectively perceived to be the best thing in each category, however they clearly became a popularity contest,


Awards that are solely determined by more than two dozen semi-anonymous people on the internet casting votes are inevitably going to be popularity contests. You can't reasonably require/expect half of the voters to have watched half the nominated/eligible shows.

People who care about the award and feel it ought to be merit-based should organize a petition to change how Crunchy decide the winners.

As a thought, I've seen singing contest formats with three judges, each has a 30% weight on voting, and the audience has 10% combined. This ensures the award has a merit-basis (judges who are knowledged/professional) while still involve the audience/user (tie-breakers, kind of)
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CR, I love ya, but this event has been embarrassing to watch. You guys tried so hard to make it seem prestigious and build up hype for the reveal of the obvious winner of the "most active fandom of the year" award, but nothing about it felt professional.

As a paying customer, I'd rather see money going towards more licenses (A Silent Voice, My Hero Academia OVAs, additional catalog titles) then renting a venue and giving a small fraction of people who can make it to the so-called "reveal" of the obvious winner free t-shirts and drinks.
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For those who want another chance at voting for awards, visit Crunchyroll Forum Anime 2016 Awards. Voting ends in less than 24 hours.

It's still a popularity contest of course--anything that depends on votes from ordinary fans will be--but there are a wide range of options for each category (scroll all the way down to the bottom of the first post), and it's open just to CR users. It's really just another little fun thing to do, but maybe some will find it soothing.
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That moment when you realise you are on the other side of the world...


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Posted 1/29/17 , edited 1/29/17

KittyNekkyo wrote:

I'm trying to figure out if the people who are complaining about Yuri On Ice even bothered watching or are just upset their favorite anime didn't stand a chance...

And for the record, I know/follow quite a few people including myself who love Yuri On Ice and we're all in our 20's.


go to the other forum topic about it. most of the people here are the same ones.


we've given our reasons in excess detail. I for one have written scientific thesis papers on it.

I'll let that anime snob deal with your comment though.
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Posted 1/29/17

PanSola wrote:

Awards that are solely determined by more than two dozen semi-anonymous people on the internet casting votes are inevitably going to be popularity contests. You can't reasonably require/expect half of the voters to have watched half the nominated/eligible shows.

People who care about the award and feel it ought to be merit-based should organize a petition to change how Crunchy decide the winners.

As a thought, I've seen singing contest formats with three judges, each has a 30% weight on voting, and the audience has 10% combined. This ensures the award has a merit-basis (judges who are knowledged/professional) while still involve the audience/user (tie-breakers, kind of)


I do understand that this is the unfortunate reality, I just wish it wasn't. I just wish there was some way to fundamentally make people vote objectively, but I know that of course there isn't. I do like the idea you proposed though. Alternatively they could just have a 'fan favourite' award that was 100% popular vote, with the rest of the awards maybe having the final 3 selected by popular vote, which would then be voted on by a panel of judges or something.
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