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Post Reply Should Kishimoto & Shonen Jump sue SyFy over The Magicians & Tutting?
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So, a new show on SyFy Channel features characters performing magic by weaving hand signs. In truth, I care so little for SyFy these days, I only found out through a cross channel promotion on USA. It would seem to me that Kishimoto, Shonen Jump, & VIZ would be particularly upset about another IP copying one of the core tenets of the Naruto manga & anime.

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Since the hand signs are ripped straight from Mudra (Symbolic gestures used in Hinduism/Buddhism), I doubt there's grounds for suing as the signs themselves were not created by Kishimoto. Even then, the idea of weaving magic through one's hands is not unique to Naruto.

If these shows were trying to copy the idea of ninjas using the hand signs, I could see where suing might be possible, but since they aren't, I don't think Viz will do anything. And now that I've thought about it, the possibility that Viz would lose money in that battle is high.
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Maybe Marvel should sue Kishimoto because Doctor Strange wove hand signs to cast his magic back in the 60's.
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Selenae wrote:

Since the hand signs are ripped straight from Mudra (Symbolic gestures used in Hinduism/Buddhism), I doubt there's grounds for suing as the signs themselves were not created by Kishimoto. Even then, the idea of weaving magic through one's hands is not unique to Naruto.

If these shows were trying to copy the idea of ninjas using the hand signs, I could see where suing might be possible, but since they aren't, I don't think Viz will do anything. And now that I've thought about it, the possibility that Viz would lose money in that battle is high.


This, except everything has ninjas using them. Like everything has ninjas named Sasuke. It's folklore stuff.

Also, Japanese people tend to try to work out issues privately instead of suing. Which is probably an emotionally healthier way of going about life, but whatever.
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By that same token Hanna-Barbera should sue Kishimoto for also making poorly drawn cartoons.
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Lol that moment when you realize your favorite show/manga isn't as original as you thought, someone's growing up
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Maybe Marvel should sue Kishimoto because Doctor Strange wove hand signs to cast his magic back in the 60's.


how about every stage magician ever!
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Everyone should sue everyone. If everyone was afraid to do anything, then nothing bad would be done.
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curr0001 wrote:


Tyrconnell wrote:


Maybe Marvel should sue Kishimoto because Doctor Strange wove hand signs to cast his magic back in the 60's.


how about every stage magician ever!


Yep, it's like people believe that nothing ever existed before them.
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Tyrconnell wrote:


curr0001 wrote:


Tyrconnell wrote:


Maybe Marvel should sue Kishimoto because Doctor Strange wove hand signs to cast his magic back in the 60's.


how about every stage magician ever!


Yep, it's like people believe that nothing ever existed before them.


i bet I could find a few examples in the Old testament too
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kkmenchi wrote:

Lol that moment when you realize your favorite show/manga isn't as original as you thought, someone's growing up


To be fair I don't think there is an anime in existence that hasn't borrowed something from somewhere. But I do find it strange the OP has never seen this in anything else ever. It's commonly done in tons of anime and live action shows. It's just in Naruto it's done all the time.
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kkmenchi wrote:

Lol that moment when you realize your favorite show/manga isn't as original as you thought, someone's growing up


To be fair I don't think there is an anime in existence that hasn't borrowed something from somewhere. But I do find it strange the OP has never seen this in anything else ever. It's commonly done in tons of anime and live action shows. It's just in Naruto it's done all the time.


Oh, I've seen copying & derivative concepts time & time again. However, that often has to do with characters, plot, or overarching themes. Very rarely do you see blatant copying of the mechanics of a story. The nuts & bolts of how a world & it's functionality works.

I recently heard Digimon described as "The Wal-Mart version of Pokemon". Would that make this the Dollar Store version of Naruto?
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CronoT wrote:


zangeif123 wrote:


kkmenchi wrote:

Lol that moment when you realize your favorite show/manga isn't as original as you thought, someone's growing up


To be fair I don't think there is an anime in existence that hasn't borrowed something from somewhere. But I do find it strange the OP has never seen this in anything else ever. It's commonly done in tons of anime and live action shows. It's just in Naruto it's done all the time.


Oh, I've seen copying & derivative concepts time & time again. However, that often has to do with characters, plot, or overarching themes. Very rarely do you see blatant copying of the mechanics of a story. The nuts & bolts of how a world & it's functionality works.

I recently heard Digimon described as "The Wal-Mart version of Pokemon". Would that make this the Dollar Store version of Naruto?


I've never seen the show so I'd like to know how is this SyFy show a blatant copy of Naruto?
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CronoT wrote:


zangeif123 wrote:


kkmenchi wrote:

Lol that moment when you realize your favorite show/manga isn't as original as you thought, someone's growing up


To be fair I don't think there is an anime in existence that hasn't borrowed something from somewhere. But I do find it strange the OP has never seen this in anything else ever. It's commonly done in tons of anime and live action shows. It's just in Naruto it's done all the time.


Oh, I've seen copying & derivative concepts time & time again. However, that often has to do with characters, plot, or overarching themes. Very rarely do you see blatant copying of the mechanics of a story. The nuts & bolts of how a world & it's functionality works.

I recently heard Digimon described as "The Wal-Mart version of Pokemon". Would that make this the Dollar Store version of Naruto?


Digimon is very different from Pokemon though aside from the fact that it's kids who train monsters.

The stories are fundamentally different, the ways the monsters work are fundamentally different. Hell Pokemon takes place in its own world, while Digimon takes place in the real world and employs a sci-fantasy aspect to it. Comparing Pokemon to Digimon is like comparing an Apple to a Tomato.

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Digimon is very different from Pokemon though aside from the fact that it's kids who train monsters.

The stories are fundamentally different, the ways the monsters work are fundamentally different. Hell Pokemon takes place in its own world, while Digimon takes place in the real world and employs a sci-fantasy aspect to it. Comparing Pokemon to Digimon is like comparing an Apple to a Tomato.



But some teenagers said that in a Teens React youtube video after they were shown the OP to the first season. So it has to be true
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