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Posted 1/24/17 , edited 1/24/17

Rujikin wrote:
Mint has 2 versions. The main Linux mint version that is stable and works well but doesnt update non-OS software as much. Its very easy to use and a smooth transition from windows. It can be hardened or left alone and still have much better security than windows.I recommend this because its an easy switch. Once/if people want to try customizing their Linux then there are 100s of different versions they could use that have better security.

The second is LMDE and it has much more frequent updates of everything at the risk of some of it breaking.


Most Linux distros have more than one "version". But this is exactly what I mean - you're under the assumption that Linux Mint is, out of the box, more secure than any version of Windows. This isn't necessarily true. I'm almost confident that my current configuration on this Windows machine is far more secure than your Linux Mint - simply because you're not well-accustomed to various firewalls, antivirus software (yes, even on Linux - especially if you're an end user), and security exploits. Mint has had issues overall due to their lack of security - even to the point that last year they had two instances where people were downloading ISOs of Mint that had a backdoor built-in (mostly due to their website getting hacked).

The LMDE is simply the Debian variation of Linux - it's not as supported because Debian is more difficult to garner support for when you're simply moving from Windows to Linux. The misconception is that just because you're on a Linux machine that you're "more secure" (much like the same assumption being said of "MacOS" due to it having a UNIX backend). While there are some aspects of system security that are, in fact, better (even OOB features) - you're still switching to an OS that you have little to no knowledge about.

I'm an advocate for Linux - much like I am for Android (another distro, technically). I think you should be well aware as to what you're getting yourself into before jumping into a Linux distribution and making it your "daily driver" (main phone/desktop/laptop configuration). Ubuntu and Mint have both allowed for newbie Linux users to find a "comfortable place" for navigating without being overwhelmed by "techy terms" that will go over most peoples' heads. At the same time, it created a generation of *nix users who don't have FDE enabled, have weak passwords for their root account, using their root account as their main account... all sorts of security "no-nos".

TL;DR:
While Linux is better than Windows (as long as you're not a gamer and have some technical knowledge) in many ways - advocating it as strong security without elaborating will lead to weaker security practices that leave Linux open more than Windows (by default). It's good to advocate but it's even better to educate.


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Posted 1/24/17 , edited 3/29/17

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I'm a user of Windows 10, primarily. Windows 7 called back to the XP fanboys who didn't want to give up XP (despite its time finally being up in the realm of support). I'm not keen on their snipping of personal information but, alas, it's not too difficult to filter it from the firewall (and preventing it from going anywhere).



Ninjitsuko im glad you mentioned a part that im sure people will gloss over while they rave about how microsoft is stealing all of their data.

Firstly - i use a program that monitors my ethernet port and shows the current tx/rx input/output speeds. Never once has it been running at full output furiously sending data from my computer to anywhere. it might send some very minor information but its not "copying" my hard drive otherwise every single time i install a program and download something it would also upload it and its just not.

Secondly - what it does send - it has to be sending it to a fixed address. its very easy to set up firewall rules if you were so inclined to simply block this. if your main complaint is that they are stealing everything of yours this is literally a 1 minute job to block the server the data is being sent to. im pretty sure even consumer grade routers should be able to handle this... i use something a little more versatile - im a mikrotik boy
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Posted 1/24/17 , edited 1/24/17

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I do believe that they stopped updating W7... which means that is makes it very easy to abuse issues that are prevalent in the OS. It wont surprise me if what they say is 100% true.


It probably is insecure now. That's why I use Linux mint for 95% of everything and windows 7 for the couple games that I can't get to run on Linux.

Stay off the internet with Microsoft its not safe.


I still prefer Microsoft over Apple stuff... As for Linux.. Not worried about it for now. When it become more relevant I will pick it up. Atm it still cant do as much as I would like it to.

As for Microsoft getting my information... At least I am not getting MLP ads or breast reduction ads. I don't mind my video game ads and what not now. You want to know what is scarier than Microsoft? Look at googles. They track everything. Location, browse history, video history, download history, contacts, etc. I need to find the link. Everything you have ever done that is owned by google is seen by google. Log into google from a hotel... Google knows where you are. Search Rule 34 furries on google... They know what you like... Facebook does this shit too. Not sure about twitter.

Edit: Link to google I was talking about...
https://myactivity.google.com/
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Dark_Alma wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

I do believe that they stopped updating W7... which means that is makes it very easy to abuse issues that are prevalent in the OS. It wont surprise me if what they say is 100% true.


It probably is insecure now. That's why I use Linux mint for 95% of everything and windows 7 for the couple games that I can't get to run on Linux.

Stay off the internet with Microsoft its not safe.


I still prefer Microsoft over Apple stuff... As for Linux.. Not worried about it for now. When it become more relevant I will pick it up. Atm it still cant do as much as I would like it to.

As for Microsoft getting my information... At least I am not getting MLP ads or breast reduction ads. I don't mind my video game ads and what not now. You want to know what is scarier than Microsoft? Look at googles. They track everything. Location, browse history, video history, download history, contacts, etc. I need to find the link. Everything you have ever done that is owned by google is seen by google. Log into google from a hotel... Google knows where you are. Search Rule 34 furries on google... They know what you like... Facebook does this shit too. Not sure about twitter.

Edit: Link to google I was talking about...
https://myactivity.google.com/
And people wonder why I'm in the process of closing out my google accounts. And yes, twitter does the same thing. Any page you see a "tweet this" button, that object sends tracking data for you to Twitter. If someone is serious about privacy, UBlock, NoScript, Privacy Badger, and HTTPS everywhere. For search engines, something like DuckDuckGO, or Disconnect.me.
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Posted 1/24/17 , edited 1/24/17

Rujikin wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

I do believe that they stopped updating W7... which means that is makes it very easy to abuse issues that are prevalent in the OS. It wont surprise me if what they say is 100% true.


It probably is insecure now. That's why I use Linux mint for 95% of everything and windows 7 for the couple games that I can't get to run on Linux.

Stay off the internet with Microsoft its not safe.
Mint isn't worth it. If you're serious about avoiding Microsoft, and keeping your data as secure as possible, Debian, ArchLinux, of FreeBSD.
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Secondly - what it does send - it has to be sending it to a fixed address. its very easy to set up firewall rules if you were so inclined to simply block this. if your main complaint is that they are stealing everything of yours this is literally a 1 minute job to block the server the data is being sent to. im pretty sure even consumer grade routers should be able to handle this... i use something a little more versatile - im a mikrotik boy


No, I'm afraid many consumer grade routers do not allow you to define firewall rules based on IP addresses. In my experience, manufacturers rarely support anything more than simple NAT rules to allow incoming connections based on port numbers with a few special parameters to optionally configure blocking rules for special types of traffic, such as pings. You may be able to create your own rules manually if the router provides additional configuration through telnet, but at that point you're getting into power user territory.

Back to the topic: As for Windows 7 being insecure, I believe Markus Nitschke is not talking as much about security flaws in Windows 7 that make it inherently exploitable through backdoors and design flaws, but more about the features made possible through the Windows 10 architecture that guide users toward more secure practices and enable them to protect themselves against their own negligence. SmartScreen is a good example of a security feature that Windows 7 simply doesn't have. While the value of a feature like SmartScreen may seem negligible, it's greatly amplified in corporate environments where you have hundreds or thousands of employees, each of which could be downloading malware in the form of unsigned executables.
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Posted 1/24/17 , edited 3/29/17
Switch to Linux Mint! :D

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Lol, failing to entice people to their new product, they tried to strong arm them into it. Getting too much push back, they now resort to fear tactics. No thanks. Not interested in installing software that dials home to send Microsoft everything I do on my computer and information about what I have on my hard drives. Especially when you can't disable the data collection and transfer back to Microsoft. The software continues to send data back even when you "disable" the privacy settings, because you can't really disable them in anything but the enterprise version.


Life is sweet when you can get enterprise editions for free. tee-hee!
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I still prefer Microsoft over Apple stuff... As for Linux.. Not worried about it for now. When it become more relevant I will pick it up. Atm it still cant do as much as I would like it to.

As for Microsoft getting my information... At least I am not getting MLP ads or breast reduction ads. I don't mind my video game ads and what not now. You want to know what is scarier than Microsoft? Look at googles. They track everything. Location, browse history, video history, download history, contacts, etc. I need to find the link. Everything you have ever done that is owned by google is seen by google. Log into google from a hotel... Google knows where you are. Search Rule 34 furries on google... They know what you like... Facebook does this shit too. Not sure about twitter.

Edit: Link to google I was talking about...
https://myactivity.google.com/


The difference with Google is that you have to sign in to Google for them to have personally identifiable information. I don't have a Google account, nor would I make one, same goes for Twitter and Facebook. The only information Google gets about me, other that what I might be searching or watching at the time is my IP address, and IP addresses supplied by internet providers are typically dynamic. Also, Google isn't checking what is on my drives or what programs I have installed and dialing it back to Google to store. There should not be any expectation of privacy while doing things over outside connections, but you should be able to expect privacy regarding what is done offline. Google actually has to record what you are searching for or what videos you are looking at or they couldn't supply the content to you. Microsoft doesn't have to know what you have on your computer or what you are typing in order for the OS to function. Maybe for optional features, but you should be able to turn off data collection, even if it causes some optional features to be unavailable or to fail.
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Posted 1/24/17 , edited 3/29/17
If they stop releasing security updates, vulnerabilities will become more numerous with each passing day. For an OS that will be eight years old in a few months, this shouldn't come as a surprise.

But people are set in their ways and afraid of change, so... so be it.
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In any case, I got Ubuntu for backup.
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according to Microsoft.. sure..

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/242795-microsoft-warns-windows-7-dangerously-insecure-2017



i replaced my laptop's 6 yr old HDD 2 months ago. and reinstalled windows 7 again..

so using both Windows 7 and Windows 10 (2 laptops)

jumping from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (skipping Windows 8).. it only took 5-10 minutes to figure where things are..

not a fan of the privacy settings of Windows 10 though.. so i disabled most of them

I removed most of the useless apps that i will not be using.. but for some reason . you can't remove Microsoft apps though (like Xbox)


so unless they are giving out Windows 10 OS for free again.. i don't see those people will be upgrading from Windows 7..


So, Microsoft is admitting that they make shoddy products? Windows ten is just as weak. And now that it's connected to the cloud.... I can only surmise that a shit-ton of people are gonna have their dataz stolen - easy.
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Posted 1/25/17 , edited 3/29/17
I was looking forward to Win 10 until I found out you can't disable tracking no matter what, I don't see myself ever getting 10 now unless they reverse that policy or make single copies of Enterprise available to non businesses.
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Ninjitsuko im glad you mentioned a part that im sure people will gloss over while they rave about how microsoft is stealing all of their data.


There are always going to be those who are genuinely paranoid about their "data" being sent off somewhere. Those who are on Linux or know even an iota about technically should be able to quickly monitor any eth0/ethernet/wireless card of theirs to determine what information is being sent anywhere. Before upgrading to Windows 10 - when the whole "ERMAGERD, MICROSOFT IS STARTING TO STEAL YER DATAZ!" first began, I ended up running Windows 10 in a VM, captured all outgoing packets, and investigated. While some, minute, information was being sent to Microsoft - it hasn't been much different than it was in the past if you were to send data to Microsoft for diagnostic purposes (during DrWatson captures for determining root cause of a crash). Yes, there was some information regarding search history and your applications. Oh no, end of the world.


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No, I'm afraid many consumer grade routers do not allow you to define firewall rules based on IP addresses.

Back to the topic: As for Windows 7 being insecure, I believe Markus Nitschke is not talking as much about security flaws in Windows 7 that make it inherently exploitable through backdoors and design flaws, but more about the features made possible through the Windows 10 architecture that guide users toward more secure practices and enable them to protect themselves against their own negligence.


Staphan is right; commercial routers (for consumers) tend to lack the capacity to define in-depth firewall rules. Some higher-end consumer grade routers do (like ASUS or Cisco).

As for your statement about Nitschke - that's also correct. He wasn't stating that Windows 7 was "a bad operating system that has security issues". Instead, he was elaborating on the fact that Windows 10 is far more secure (in terms of security features and longevity of the OS itself). But, alas, some people will always believe their own bias.


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So, Microsoft is admitting that they make shoddy products? Windows ten is just as weak. And now that it's connected to the cloud.... I can only surmise that a shit-ton of people are gonna have their dataz stolen - easy.


Not quite, you should re-read the article. Plus, Windows 10 isn't "connected to the cloud" unless you count that it has a OneDrive app (which doesn't mean that it's "connected to the cloud"). Although, Windows 10 does make it easier for companies to use VDI (virtual desktop integration) on their network/s. Also, the only "data" to be stolen doesn't really equate to anything invasive to me. If someone wants to know what video I've launched on "Groove Music" -- be it from me to stop them.
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I am still rocking with Windows XP
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