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Posted 1/27/17 , edited 1/27/17

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The buttons and hotkeys to get to the Start Screen in Windows 8 are exactly the same as they were to open the Start menu in Windows 7.



I am not talking about Windows Key. Talking about, once u click start button, then u have to drag mouse (or keystokes) to "Programs", then the directory name, sub directory, then program. And icons all small. And heaven's forbid, if you overshoot, it cancels out. So much brain power. So much focus. Like a video game. No wonder Windows hard for "old people".


Or, u can have a charm on Win 8 that is a single, split second point/click; no need for the drama. No way that is slower. But what if u have way too much stuff? L2Organize. I know, can be hard for some people.


Nevertheless, for the "casual" user who does have trillion programs, it works perfectly. As I said before, u have to delete ever single preinstalled Microsoft charm (like "News, Weather") as they are useless. But again, after that ur all set.

And, one cannot deny the core operating system runs faster, starts up quicker, and far more secure then previous versions of Windows. But people who bitch about Win 8 care not about performance of course. Just their addiction to start menu.


I have used every Windows at some point, from MS-DOS to 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP of course; yes, 7-8, and 10. The best one is still 8. I am using a Windows 10 phone now as I type. If Win 10 desktop didn't force updates, it would be best. In either case, people who cling to 7 for dear life, have bigger problems IRL with their lives, it is so...
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Posted 1/27/17 , edited 1/27/17

staphen wrote:



if we are going to have a debate about Windows 8 here.. i think it will go on and on..

noob i guess you can not participate in an online forum with someone bringing that word up eh..

don't get me started now..
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Posted 1/27/17 , edited 3/29/17
Windows 10 is nice don't see he problem people have with it.

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TheGrandAlliance wrote:

I am not talking about Windows Key. Talking about, once u click start button, then u have to drag mouse (or keystokes) to "Programs", then the directory name, sub directory, then program. And icons all small. And heaven's forbid, if you overshoot, it cancels out. So much brain power. So much focus. Like a video game. No wonder Windows hard for "old people".


Or, u can have a charm on Win 8 that is a single, split second point/click; no need for the drama. No way that is slower. But what if u have way too much stuff? L2Organize. I know, can be hard for some people.


Nevertheless, for the "casual" user who does have trillion programs, it works perfectly. As I said before, u have to delete ever single preinstalled Microsoft charm (like "News, Weather") as they are useless. But again, after that ur all set.

And, one cannot deny the core operating system runs faster, starts up quicker, and far more secure then previous versions of Windows. But people who bitch about Win 8 care not about performance of course. Just their addiction to start menu.


I have used every Windows at some point, from MS-DOS to 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP of course; yes, 7-8, and 10. The best one is still 8. I am using a Windows 10 phone now as I type. If Win 10 desktop didn't force updates, it would be best. In either case, people who cling to 7 for dear life, have bigger problems IRL with their lives, it is so...


No, once you click the start button, you do not only have the option of going to All Programs. Fundamentally, the Windows 8 Start Screen is organized the same way as the Windows 7 Start Menu. Windows 8 tiles are nearly equivalent to Windows 7 pins. In both operating systems, you can search by typing. The biggest difference is when you do go into All Programs. In Windows 8, subdirectories are fully expanded, so you're accosted by what I like to call a "sea of programs" whereas Windows 7 shows you a collapsed tree view.

If you overshoot in Windows 7 or Windows 8, the consequences are roughly the same: maybe it opens the wrong program and you have to start over. The only advantage Windows 8 has here is that the buttons are larger. Actually, what you might be referring to is the start menu in Windows XP (and Windows 98 and Windows 95 and a few others), where subdirectories would expand outside of the original menu so there was always a risk that you might overshoot and click outside the menu. However, Windows 7 opens subdirectories in-place, with scrollbars to help navigate through larger folders, so you really only risk clicking outside the menu if you try to click toward the top of it.

As for your comment about learning to organize, there is no obvious way to organize your start screen shortcuts in Windows 8 because they hijacked all the context menus and eliminated the "Open" and "Open All Users" options. That would be yet another obvious deficiency of the Windows 8 Start Screen. And yes, the start screen is irrefutably slower than the start menu when using a remote desktop connection because of the sheer number of pixels that need to be changed just to bring the damn thing up.

News and weather are not charms, they are tiles. Like I said earlier, tiles are basically the same as pins. The main difference between them seems to be the programmatically generated graphics and text inside special tiles like the news and weather tiles. Anyway, it sounds like pins would have saved you a lot of headaches in Windows 7.

The core operating system may or may not run faster. Windows 7 runs incredibly fast on my home computer. Windows Server 2012 runs horribly slow on nearly every system we've put it on. My personal impression when comparing Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows Server 2012 on the same hardware seems to indicate that the difference in performance is negligible. Honestly, performance is probably much more a function of hardware than the operating system.
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Posted 1/28/17 , edited 1/28/17
I'll tell you one thing, the corporate world cannot function without Windows 7. Too many higher end software packages have no support on win 8 or win 10 yet and many of them are probably going to roll the dice and stick with 7 out of desperation.
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Seems silly to have a debate over charms and the start menu when you can just install a tiny free program like classicshell to get identical functionality from Win8 as from Win7. But granted, I am more of a power user than the majority who just only know how to unbox, plug, and play. And it's with those people where Windows 8 failed, and 10 succeeded, because lets face it- giving desktop users tablet functionality was just retarded. But if you can overlook that (and know how to fix it), when you get in the nitty gritty and really factor in all the features (along with remaining time for official support), Windows 8 truly does shine.
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i think it's a common problem with re-installation of Windows 7.. the problem with Windows 7 update

if you reinstall the OS you will stuck in the "checking for updates" loop..

I'm wondering if it's intentional..
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Posted 1/30/17 , edited 1/30/17

kevz_210 wrote:

I'll tell you one thing, the corporate world cannot function without Windows 7. Too many higher end software packages have no support on win 8 or win 10 yet and many of them are probably going to roll the dice and stick with 7 out of desperation.


I love the:

"This software does not support your browser, please you Internet Explorer 6" for some of our wonderful software . . .
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Posted 1/30/17 , edited 3/29/17
I like Windows 10.
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Posted 1/30/17 , edited 1/31/17

zinjashike wrote:


kevz_210 wrote:

I'll tell you one thing, the corporate world cannot function without Windows 7. Too many higher end software packages have no support on win 8 or win 10 yet and many of them are probably going to roll the dice and stick with 7 out of desperation.


I love the:

"This software does not support your browser, please you Internet Explorer 6" for some of our wonderful software . . .

lol, Ikr!
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Posted 1/31/17 , edited 3/29/17
Will continue to use Win7. Call me back when Win11 won't suck.
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i'm using both Windows 7 and Windows 10

personally, I wouldn't care less.. just whatever was on my laptop when i bought it

speaking of which .. there's some new update for windows 10
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/01/27/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-15019-pc/
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Posted 1/31/17 , edited 1/31/17

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i like my mac


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❤ macOS ❤

But, I do like Windows 10.
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Posted 2/1/17 , edited 2/1/17

AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

i think it's a common problem with re-installation of Windows 7.. the problem with Windows 7 update

if you reinstall the OS you will stuck in the "checking for updates" loop..

I'm wondering if it's intentional..


There is a particular update that does that. It is possible to get around it and no longer have problems with the Win 7 updates, but it is quite the process to work through. (And don't ask me what it is, I no longer recall. But, it wasn't easy to get my Win 7 up to date.)
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