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What is the Most Ideal form of Government?
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Many ideologies clash over the course of history. But is there a form of Government that is perfect, or ideal? I've studied many forms of government during college, for example, Monarchy, Democracy, and Socialism. They all have their pros and cons, but is there one that is better than the others?

A Monarchy is a good form of government only if the Monarch is a good ruler (i.e, in my opinion, Louis XIV of France, the first "Absolute Monarch", Emperor Meiji of Japan, and Empress Maria Theresia of Austria), but if an incapable monarch reigns, then it's quite a crappy government, i.e. Louis XVI of France, every English king named Edward, and George III of Great Britain...

Democracy is what the Greeks and Romans favored, but it didn't last forever, did it? Also, the more times you elect the same person, the more that democracy turns into a dictatorship, for example, Pericles, the leader of Athens for most of his life. He was re-elected almost a dozen times with no opposition. That isn't quite how a true democracy, the democracy that Socrates and Aristotle wrote of, should function.

One can understand the rise of Socialism during the 19th century, but should you really place your faith in the industrial working class to run the country? Marx wrote in his Manifesto that a Socialist state run by the working class would excel in production, science, and education. The only states with Marxist ideals were more heavily influenced by extremes like Leninism and Stalinism, such as the now-dead Soviet Union, North Korea, China, and Cuba. Leon Trotsky tried to return Russia to more socialistic roots, for example, public elections and term limits, but was murdered under the orders of Stalin. A true, non-extreme Marxist socialist government has never existed, and most likely never will.

What do you think? What is your most ideal form of government?
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I like Absolute Monarchy if the monarch is a great ruler.
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The government that makes me the most important person in the universe. Total dicktatorshit. As long as i'm the dicktator
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a mix of democracy but with some socialist ideas.

People believe Socialist = Bad and are so fast to throw out any idea that is remotely socialist and say it doesn't work or is stupid.
To me that just shows people are very misunderstanding and foolish.

A country and its men should work together focus on the group and the health of those in it instead of focusing directly on the individual.
Most countries try to focus on the individual over the group which has again and again shown to be something i despise and creates selfishness.

One saying i like and should go with government is

ONE FOR ALL
ALL FOR ONE
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Democracy
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The problem with democracy back then and now still that not everyone know well the candidates to cast the best vote even back then they did acknowledge democracy have that issue, yet is by far in contrasts with monarchy , anarchy and socialism.

The roman empire does resemble what the current US government is today, but they where a absolute monarchy sometimes or several times power checked by the senate.

Not everyone should cast a vote and that was the concern of the founding fathers , 18 years old and that it to vote? it is not enough then a
Meritocracy for a reference how it works watch star ship troopers but without the militarism,

You should be hold property , merits or knowledge in order to participate in order for it not fall in a full socialism but held responsible of those individuals that can not vote.
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The problem with democracy back then and now still that not everyone know well the candidates to cast the best vote even back then they did acknowledge democracy have that issue, yet is by far in contrasts with monarchy , anarchy and socialism.

The roman empire does resemble what the current US government is today, but they where a absolute monarchy sometimes or several times power checked by the senate.

Not everyone should cast a vote and that was the concern of the founding fathers , 18 years old and that it to vote? it is not enough then a
Meritocracy for a reference how it works watch star ship troopers but without the militarism,

You should be hold property , merits or knowledge in order to participate in order for it not fall in a full socialism but held responsible of those individuals that can not vote.


I am not sure if that is feasible. Stupid, bigoted people deserve a voice too, mainly because they will exist regardless of what the state does or supports. At 18, you yourself are responsible for your own rational functioning. In any case, I find such an idea an abhorrent to democracy in a first place. (Unless you are advocating against it.)
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I would personally prefer a state similar to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". It's not so different from our own now except there's less friction between each "caste". People see it as a dystopian world but given the current state of our nation, my trust in the intelligence of people to make a democracy work becomes dimmer by the day. It's hard to place my trust in a country where 77% of adults believe in angels and only a little more than half accept evolution over creationism.
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Ideal? The government that doesn't have to exist. Meaning people learn to allocate themselves to self purpose beyond a 'job' based economy. Machinery does tasks. Machinery up keeps machines. Decisions have been monetized to some sort of marginalized system that makes the best probability out of a database of tasks. Database is constantly reevaluating itself through an ethical procedural code. Eliminate the human error. Of course then chapter two of the dystopian novel begins and shit goes sideways when we learn the database comes to the conclusion that elimination of sentient life is the more ethical solution. That or forced assimilation where we lose our sense of identity.

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Democracy, but a true democracy not a republic. A republic was used because time and distance prevented every citizen from voting. We have automobiles, emails and telephones now, negating a need for a republic. We vote on propositions all the time anyway; so why do we allow politicians to control some aspects of government, but we the people vote on others? This would force people to make some what informed decisions rather than lending their voice to some empty suit who is just a qualified as they are to make important decisions.
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The American of course; British is #2
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For me, this relates to government that can exist forever... and really I'm still getting better at showing my way of knowing this. I believe we are all attempting to know a perfect expression of government from any experience with a government that does not accept us. I will say what I can as best I can for now. This is stuff I've been thinking about for awhile... so I got lot to include.

Perfect government that is forever self-sustaining does not exist upon a singular individual's efforts while the perfect government must know perfectly the true extent of a single individual and that we are all beyond value.

A government that does not dismiss anyone, ever, is closer than a family that sets hierarchy of roles much as governments have taught. The most ideal perfection of government is one that teaches us the enormousness of our true selves allowing for maximum creativity remaining apart of everyone's abilities. One need not dictate beyond informing each other of the possibilities we can all do and the ways we agree upon to remain with each other peacefully. Developing relationships from a basis upon roles to perform comes with sensitivity issues that can often result in individuals working for money and/or for the prosperity of us all, instead of always including us all and knowing yourself to forever prosper.

Ultimate government includes all spiritual practices of accepting both feminine and masculine traits by developing language to accept everyone in every act we do beyond names, never discouraging another from expression or relating from another telling you about you. Manifesting in a manner that is both is to also know a language that reflects timeless guidance that maintains awareness of ourselves in a manner that unites us through death... overcoming all confusion that happens after wars and after we begin to treat one another possessively.

Everything we do affects us as the way we know ourselves to be, much in modern discussions being about biological and neurological awareness. Everything I've known in my own experiences is the more we unite ourselves beyond the current versions of bonds we hear about the more we overcome the affects of our forms becoming the way we do after we develop our sciences as extensively as we do. Everything I know about myself cellularly goes through gradual shifts as I catch myself up to the way I really know is true instead of buying into force fed bullshit spread for the sake of having something to say to someone else.

I have heard and read that many experience this as quickening while I know it better as a complete understanding of self that includes everything. After we add more possibilities it takes us awhile to put everything together in language for perpetuity... then we let go and do everything we spoke about, or we fight ourselves and/or others while building something up that can crumble into poorly understood babble until we come back together again.

All includingly, the better I understand myself in language the more aware I become neurologically and biologically as a whole while I transition myself towards self expression that overcomes the stuff we've been told is absolutely true... like god. wtf its just a word and everyone's been making up their own definitions then trying to sell us on that... we can all do anything and everything. Science understands this as vibrations = antimatter/matter = light = anything... you make vibrations, right? well the better you understand your perfect impact on everything, the more your vibrations do, also preventing any entropy. I find that entropy is much in regards to what happens when individuals deny themselves that they are everything they speak of. The better we understand our blood is our light and all this simplifies into some sort of nothingness we all must agree upon to unite the more possibilities we experience together with unity.

Figuring anything real out relies upon knowing we exist beyond any form of any sort and the ultimate government that everyone eventually agrees upon because we're all still voting on all of reality too as our present choices to be here has to know this. Inevitably we overcome the misbelief we cannot attain perpetual motion, our bodies already do this, with absolute reminders in every life and death. Further development expands to more technology than your obvious self while always dependent upon an ability to remain true to loving all individuals equally to remain healthy around others while to remain healthy always requires complete self-acceptance in all you do.

I find that all creativity depends upon the extent individuals choose for themselves without any influence from another their own possibilities, all we do begins from us... one must end any perceptual limits to know their own choice of capabilities. We do not have to rely on cultivating perpetual motion for perpetual energy, ultimate government must know energy sustainability and maintaining some sort of perpetual motion has been apart of our experiences so far for a source of energy that won't expire. Contrary to much babbling, I know that any individual can maintain perpetual consciousness as energy/light/umm and the manner we perceive is dependent upon everything we've ever done.

I find that ideas like maintenance of any sort instead of perpetuity free of such suffering is, and always been apart of the automatic evolution of all of creation. All form evolves, is becoming more, continually forever. Believing we gotta keep achieving something to be a success often became apart of many individuals getting stuck on form instead of breaking through to greater mastery... I find this often has been known as the difference of the devil and god, while all naming is apart of self-possessiveness that at many instances in government development became excuses for the non-acceptance of everything. Government can never get in the way of creativity to remain clear of the possibility of its own destruction and can never deny dependence upon all individuals because the perfect government is only achievable once all individuals agree on themselves.

In my experiences, healing has been known as aligning to a more accurate understanding of self awareness that is true to the way we all feel instead of accepting blindly for rule... like many have taught reinforcively by defining limits from the basis of previous definitions. Unfortunately, many societies have also began to re-define previous definitions by teaching of less capability. The extent one experiences of healing depends upon ending any limits. I find that undoing words, names, meaning, all affects of anything we've told ourselves in a buildup of anticipation or expectation is apart of healing to the fullest. Healthy government must accept the masses always are capable of healing.

Atlantis can suck it, sustainability to the extent humanity has been attempting has not ever been done and each individual is themselves uniquely. Government that is forever has to understand healing as is real.

We are. that is all. To get into any physical, mental, spiritual ailment is to have sold yourself on being that way. Mind over matter is only the flexing of our muscles, knowing the perpetual workout of always being true is knowing healing requires always being true as yourself is your best truth. Much of healing is connecting evolution to god to you as you get better at yourself after the trauma we've endured to remain among each other with so many individuals discussing how we cannot do stuff and why we must limit ourselves from our pasts. Nope, cannot do to know evolution and all gods must be apart of evolution or why would anyone ever honor another before them. Governments that are perfect must know to honor all equally is the same as all individuals accepting all others.

Evolving to dismiss possibilities is a twist of conscience recognition. Any excuse that someone cannot handle something, like drugs (or anything), is nonsense of leadership that has chosen words to spread insecurity and doubt. Healing to overcome this self-perversion is to undo the affects of inverting perspective to want to look inside ourselves and define everything we find to provide excuses for previous decisions. An ultimate government that does not do this has to understand that government comes after war and innards come after governments... and the order we develop all our possibilities shows the way we got to forms we know now, healing now also includes understanding innards until we overcome innards. Understanding everything as a whole in my experiences shows me that eventually we heal ourselves from needing organs as well because all of this relates to your own ability to sustain yourself some way beyond description. Choices in this affect the perception an individual knows of heaven. Stuff I know about such a word like heaven is its always about you becoming more and includes the possibility of others becoming more too. In terms of reality as light, heaven is synchronizing all we do to accepting everything is heaven and we just blind ourselves to experience as we've chosen. As we synchronize physiologically to our chosen ultimate path, heaven I suppose, we affect everything as we choose... plus the way we've always done and all we are become more encompassing of all we feed upon as knowledge. Knowledge of government that goes forever is heavenizing something to be forever apart of all of us.

The more we know of ourselves the more we sense, heavenly awareness expands continuously is beyond nirvana and definitely can be tantric. One must solely know their own singular authority is that which makes everything possible and only by accepting others do we allow others to impart any affects, always dependent upon your own singular authority. The individual is always in control and any government that is forever has to recognize this. The more individuals the more accepting we all grow, any choice in this is the lag between heaven and earth while everything is still just blah blah blah all the way back to nothing as we keep doing shit that we eventually stop talking about as we'll always understand.... heaven... government... everything always going to be about you for you as it is for me. Always getting along is the best government while any forcing of this means government has poor leadership. All leadership has to equalize us to be successful as any leader only can lead if they got something to teach.

Taxes do not exist for the healthy, and death doesn't make sense for me anymore either. The best government is one that isn't while all we've gone through can be known beneficially for the purposes of us all getting along. Everything I know shows that us all getting along heals/reverses entropy as we ween ourselves away from any perceivable dependencies. Dependencies like laws have been apart of individuals excusing themselves to not get along... we don't need simplifications while the redundant occurrences of ideas like laws have gotten into homes now where parents choose the words of others that were written down for government before their own children.... this often begins individuals down paths of suffering often from much suffering of misunderstood origins. Every individual, child or parent, is their own law unto themselves... your choice of law is apart of the governing of ourselves we all make together becomes continuously more in ways we accept... writing it down to reinforce... now that's some kind of redundant suffering that attempts to ignore free will unless full disclosure occurs. Government without full disclosure always falls. The perfect government won't be around til after some more topple.
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munruo wrote:

For me, this relates to government that can exist forever... and really I'm still getting better at showing my way of knowing this. I believe we are all attempting to know a perfect expression of government from any experience with a government that does not accept us. I will say what I can as best I can for now. This is stuff I've been thinking about for awhile... so I got lot to include.

Perfect government that is forever self-sustaining does not exist upon a singular individual's efforts while the perfect government must know perfectly the true extent of a single individual and that we are all beyond value.

A government that does not dismiss anyone, ever, is closer than a family that sets hierarchy of roles much as governments have taught. The most ideal perfection of government is one that teaches us the enormousness of our true selves allowing for maximum creativity remaining apart of everyone's abilities. One need not dictate beyond informing each other of the possibilities we can all do and the ways we agree upon to remain with each other peacefully. Developing relationships from a basis upon roles to perform comes with sensitivity issues that can often result in individuals working for money and/or for the prosperity of us all, instead of always including us all and knowing yourself to forever prosper.

Ultimate government includes all spiritual practices of accepting both feminine and masculine traits by developing language to accept everyone in every act we do beyond names, never discouraging another from expression or relating from another telling you about you. Manifesting in a manner that is both is to also know a language that reflects timeless guidance that maintains awareness of ourselves in a manner that unites us through death... overcoming all confusion that happens after wars and after we begin to treat one another possessively.

Everything we do affects us as the way we know ourselves to be, much in modern discussions being about biological and neurological awareness. Everything I've known in my own experiences is the more we unite ourselves beyond the current versions of bonds we hear about the more we overcome the affects of our forms becoming the way we do after we develop our sciences as extensively as we do. Everything I know about myself cellularly goes through gradual shifts as I catch myself up to the way I really know is true instead of buying into force fed bullshit spread for the sake of having something to say to someone else.

I have heard and read that many experience this as quickening while I know it better as a complete understanding of self that includes everything. After we add more possibilities it takes us awhile to put everything together in language for perpetuity... then we let go and do everything we spoke about, or we fight ourselves and/or others while building something up that can crumble into poorly understood babble until we come back together again.

All includingly, the better I understand myself in language the more aware I become neurologically and biologically as a whole while I transition myself towards self expression that overcomes the stuff we've been told is absolutely true... like god. wtf its just a word and everyone's been making up their own definitions then trying to sell us on that... we can all do anything and everything. Science understands this as vibrations = antimatter/matter = light = anything... you make vibrations, right? well the better you understand your perfect impact on everything, the more your vibrations do, also preventing any entropy. I find that entropy is much in regards to what happens when individuals deny themselves that they are everything they speak of. The better we understand our blood is our light and all this simplifies into some sort of nothingness we all must agree upon to unite the more possibilities we experience together with unity.

Figuring anything real out relies upon knowing we exist beyond any form of any sort and the ultimate government that everyone eventually agrees upon because we're all still voting on all of reality too as our present choices to be here has to know this. Inevitably we overcome the misbelief we cannot attain perpetual motion, our bodies already do this, with absolute reminders in every life and death. Further development expands to more technology than your obvious self while always dependent upon an ability to remain true to loving all individuals equally to remain healthy around others while to remain healthy always requires complete self-acceptance in all you do.

I find that all creativity depends upon the extent individuals choose for themselves without any influence from another their own possibilities, all we do begins from us... one must end any perceptual limits to know their own choice of capabilities. We do not have to rely on cultivating perpetual motion for perpetual energy, ultimate government must know energy sustainability and maintaining some sort of perpetual motion has been apart of our experiences so far for a source of energy that won't expire. Contrary to much babbling, I know that any individual can maintain perpetual consciousness as energy/light/umm and the manner we perceive is dependent upon everything we've ever done.

I find that ideas like maintenance of any sort instead of perpetuity free of such suffering is, and always been apart of the automatic evolution of all of creation. All form evolves, is becoming more, continually forever. Believing we gotta keep achieving something to be a success often became apart of many individuals getting stuck on form instead of breaking through to greater mastery... I find this often has been known as the difference of the devil and god, while all naming is apart of self-possessiveness that at many instances in government development became excuses for the non-acceptance of everything. Government can never get in the way of creativity to remain clear of the possibility of its own destruction and can never deny dependence upon all individuals because the perfect government is only achievable once all individuals agree on themselves.

In my experiences, healing has been known as aligning to a more accurate understanding of self awareness that is true to the way we all feel instead of accepting blindly for rule... like many have taught reinforcively by defining limits from the basis of previous definitions. Unfortunately, many societies have also began to re-define previous definitions by teaching of less capability. The extent one experiences of healing depends upon ending any limits. I find that undoing words, names, meaning, all affects of anything we've told ourselves in a buildup of anticipation or expectation is apart of healing to the fullest. Healthy government must accept the masses always are capable of healing.

Atlantis can suck it, sustainability to the extent humanity has been attempting has not ever been done and each individual is themselves uniquely. Government that is forever has to understand healing as is real.

We are. that is all. To get into any physical, mental, spiritual ailment is to have sold yourself on being that way. Mind over matter is only the flexing of our muscles, knowing the perpetual workout of always being true is knowing healing requires always being true as yourself is your best truth. Much of healing is connecting evolution to god to you as you get better at yourself after the trauma we've endured to remain among each other with so many individuals discussing how we cannot do stuff and why we must limit ourselves from our pasts. Nope, cannot do to know evolution and all gods must be apart of evolution or why would anyone ever honor another before them. Governments that are perfect must know to honor all equally is the same as all individuals accepting all others.

Evolving to dismiss possibilities is a twist of conscience recognition. Any excuse that someone cannot handle something, like drugs (or anything), is nonsense of leadership that has chosen words to spread insecurity and doubt. Healing to overcome this self-perversion is to undo the affects of inverting perspective to want to look inside ourselves and define everything we find to provide excuses for previous decisions. An ultimate government that does not do this has to understand that government comes after war and innards come after governments... and the order we develop all our possibilities shows the way we got to forms we know now, healing now also includes understanding innards until we overcome innards. Understanding everything as a whole in my experiences shows me that eventually we heal ourselves from needing organs as well because all of this relates to your own ability to sustain yourself some way beyond description. Choices in this affect the perception an individual knows of heaven. Stuff I know about such a word like heaven is its always about you becoming more and includes the possibility of others becoming more too. In terms of reality as light, heaven is synchronizing all we do to accepting everything is heaven and we just blind ourselves to experience as we've chosen. As we synchronize physiologically to our chosen ultimate path, heaven I suppose, we affect everything as we choose... plus the way we've always done and all we are become more encompassing of all we feed upon as knowledge. Knowledge of government that goes forever is heavenizing something to be forever apart of all of us.

The more we know of ourselves the more we sense, heavenly awareness expands continuously is beyond nirvana and definitely can be tantric. One must solely know their own singular authority is that which makes everything possible and only by accepting others do we allow others to impart any affects, always dependent upon your own singular authority. The individual is always in control and any government that is forever has to recognize this. The more individuals the more accepting we all grow, any choice in this is the lag between heaven and earth while everything is still just blah blah blah all the way back to nothing as we keep doing shit that we eventually stop talking about as we'll always understand.... heaven... government... everything always going to be about you for you as it is for me. Always getting along is the best government while any forcing of this means government has poor leadership. All leadership has to equalize us to be successful as any leader only can lead if they got something to teach.

Taxes do not exist for the healthy, and death doesn't make sense for me anymore either. The best government is one that isn't while all we've gone through can be known beneficially for the purposes of us all getting along. Everything I know shows that us all getting along heals/reverses entropy as we ween ourselves away from any perceivable dependencies. Dependencies like laws have been apart of individuals excusing themselves to not get along... we don't need simplifications while the redundant occurrences of ideas like laws have gotten into homes now where parents choose the words of others that were written down for government before their own children.... this often begins individuals down paths of suffering often from much suffering of misunderstood origins. Every individual, child or parent, is their own law unto themselves... your choice of law is apart of the governing of ourselves we all make together becomes continuously more in ways we accept... writing it down to reinforce... now that's some kind of redundant suffering that attempts to ignore free will unless full disclosure occurs. Government without full disclosure always falls. The perfect government won't be around til after some more topple.


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I would personally prefer a state similar to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". It's not so different from our own now except there's less friction between each "caste". People see it as a dystopian world but given the current state of our nation, my trust in the intelligence of people to make a democracy work becomes dimmer by the day. It's hard to place my trust in a country where 77% of adults believe in angels and only a little more than half accept evolution over creationism.


You make it sound like people should be forced to believe in Evolution, you do realize you live the US, where people can choose to believe in what they want, right? And where they have religious freedom?
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